News about Long Covid including its relationship to ME/CFS 2020 to 2021

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Dakota15 said:
"It is time for medical researchers to investigate these long-contested illnesses with the full force of science’s power and for medical educators to train doctors in how to effectively care for chronically ill patients. If they do not, they will be failing not only this generation of patients but many millions more to come."
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See, again here. This admits millions were failed in the past and the present, ongoing. And it only talks about not repeating it for millions more, not even a suggestion that it must be fixed for the millions failed already. Just don't add to it, but you don't have to think about the millions of lives already destroyed.

It's like a fundamental inability to even consider that there should be responsibility for mistakes. They're all passively voiced and spoken as some distant things happening in a faraway land that was imposed onto medicine and they had no choice but to do it. How can we even have a serious plan to move forward when the plain facts can't even be discussed lest they anger people and make them even more committed to do nothing to fix this.
 
Dakota15 said:
OICanadian: "The problems to do physical exercise that those who have long Covid are suffering"

"The research I carried out shows that the difficulty of doing physical exercise is precisely one of the most common symptoms of Covid in the long term,” says Lambert. Some just don’t have the strength, says the scientist, while others suffer relapses of debilitating symptoms such as fatigue, brain fog or muscle pain. This worsening of symptoms even after minimal physical activity—sometimes called “post-exertional malaise” (PEM)—seems very common among long-Covid patients.

"In August, other scientists published an online survey of 3,762 people with long Covid and discovered that 89% manifested post-exercise discomfort."

""However, these exercise-induced problems do not stem from simply being “out of shape.” The effects “are totally different from the common, wild lack of training,” says Dr. David Systrom, an intensive care pulmonologist at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston."

"Some doctors also point out similarities between patients with long Covid and those with chronic fatigue syndrome (also known as myalgic encephalomyelitis or ME/CFS) who suffer from severe exhaustion, cognitive and memory problems, and often muscle or joint pain."

"For decades, the medical recommendation for patients with chronic fatigue syndrome was that they exercise, because it would improve their symptoms, but in many cases it ended up being counterproductive and worsened the condition of their disease, so doctors no longer advise it."
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This reminded me of the recent New York Times article, and indeed it is, but this time it's not behind a pay wall
 
Ah gotcha, my fault. For some reason I thought it was a little different...I think this time they edited in ME then, because at least as of Monday the NYT article only referred to ME/CFS as CFS or chronic fatigue. So there's that.
 
NorthJersey: "COVID could launch an epidemic of chronic fatigue syndrome, doctors warn"

Some quotes:
"Even as the latest COVID surge recedes, doctors and patient advocates warn that the virus could leave a new epidemic in its wake: millions more cases of the rare, mysterious condition known as chronic fatigue syndrome."

Researchers increasingly see parallels between chronic fatigue syndrome, which affects 1.5 million Americans, and long COVID, the barrage of symptoms including exhaustion, persistent pain and cognitive impairment that can linger for months in some patients.

"The connection between the two disorders is still being studied, but some research suggests the pandemic could more than triple the prevalence of chronic fatigue syndrome, also known as myalgic encephalomyelitis, or ME."

“When we saw COVID happening, people in the ME community were some of the first to raise alarm bells that this was going to be a mass disabling event,” said Robert Sklans of Metuchen, a board member with the advocacy group #MEAction Network. “We were looking at the symptoms of long COVID and saying there are going to be a boatload of people with ME/CFS."

"That horrifies those familiar with ME/CFS, a complex, often debilitating disease that leaves some sufferers permanently homebound. Yet it has also raised hopes of more awareness and research funding for a disorder that patients feel hasn't gotten enough attention.

"James Strazza, a former Morris County man who's been confined to his home for two years by the condition, said the public needs to know "how little the government and medical industry cares for people with ME and chronic illness in general."
 
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Maybe there is a better thread for this but I’ve looked through the “epidemics” section a bit but didn’t see a better thread:


MON, 14 FEB, 2022 - 08:10
Cork treatment that’s a cure for Long Covid
A West Cork man talks about his ordeal with Long Covid, and how a treatment available in Bandon has turned his life around

https://www.echolive.ie/corklives/arid-40807614.html

The treatment is hyperbaric oxygen which has been around for decades and some people with ME/CFS have already tried. Don’t think I ever came across recoveries.

This person is still only working part-time so not sure “cure” is a good word for it.
 
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Heard it all before, don't think I remember swathes of people with ME getting better then, despite the hype.

I am coming to the conclusion I should just take a load of sedatives and not wake up for a few years and see if the same marketing as I've seen before is still ongoing, and if so take some more.
 
Good article from Scientific American
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-long-haulers-are-calling-attention-to-chronic-illnesses/ '…...

'…... I had just finished reporting and writing a book about infection-associated syndromes and contested chronic illnesses, long an underresearched and dismissed area of medicine.

Medical science has increasingly understood that infections can trigger ongoing physical symptoms in a subset of people, yet the medical establishment has typically ignored the experiences of those people.

Such conditions include myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS), so-called chronic Lyme disease, and more.


…….It is time for medical researchers to investigate these long-contested illnesses with the full force of science’s power and for medical educators to train doctors in how to effectively care for chronically ill patients.

If they do not, they will be failing not only this generation of patients but many millions more to come.'

Also;
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/12/a-journey-into-illness/

O’Rourke, 38, was diagnosed last year with Lyme disease, a bacterial infection caused by a tick bite that can start off feeling like the flu and progress to nerve damage, arthritis, and, in severe cases, neurological problems. “I got much better,” she said. “But either the autoimmunity preceded the Lyme disease, or it helped trigger the autoimmunity.”

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/317923/the-invisible-kingdom-by-meghan-orourke/
A landmark exploration of one of the most consequential and mysterious issues of our time: the rise of chronic illness and autoimmune diseases
 
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Dakota15 said:
OICanadian: "The problems to do physical exercise that those who have long Covid are suffering"

"The research I carried out shows that the difficulty of doing physical exercise is precisely one of the most common symptoms of Covid in the long term,” says Lambert. Some just don’t have the strength, says the scientist, while others suffer relapses of debilitating symptoms such as fatigue, brain fog or muscle pain. This worsening of symptoms even after minimal physical activity—sometimes called “post-exertional malaise” (PEM)—seems very common among long-Covid patients.

"In August, other scientists published an online survey of 3,762 people with long Covid and discovered that 89% manifested post-exercise discomfort."

""However, these exercise-induced problems do not stem from simply being “out of shape.” The effects “are totally different from the common, wild lack of training,” says Dr. David Systrom, an intensive care pulmonologist at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston."

"Some doctors also point out similarities between patients with long Covid and those with chronic fatigue syndrome (also known as myalgic encephalomyelitis or ME/CFS) who suffer from severe exhaustion, cognitive and memory problems, and often muscle or joint pain."

"For decades, the medical recommendation for patients with chronic fatigue syndrome was that they exercise, because it would improve their symptoms, but in many cases it ended up being counterproductive and worsened the condition of their disease, so doctors no longer advise it."
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The article also has the below paragraph

All this leads to a question: can patients with long Covid who have problems exercising continue with their physical activity? No one knows, and opinions differ. “There are patients and doctors who, in view of these problems, are vehemently opposed to any form of exercise,” says Systrom, but clarifies that when these patients receive adequate treatment for long Covid, physical exercise is not only possible, but even beneficial. “If the medication improves their health condition, then the patient can embark on a gradual exercise program to avoid sudden changes.”
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Does anyone know what ‘adequate treatment and medication’ David Systrom may be referring to in the quoted paragraph above? Thanks.
 
No mention of ME, but on post infectious disease in general

Nature Pandemics disable people- the history lesson that policymakers ignore

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There was a tendency among medics to play down long COVID to begin with. Now, thanks in large part to the voice that ‘long-haulers’ found as they came together in a global online community that includes health-care workers, long COVID is the subject of large grants, research projects and a few specialist clinics, including for children.

Yet it continues to be overlooked by decision makers, who still present the costs and benefits of COVID-19 containment in terms of data on cases, hospitalizations and deaths alone. This means that in many countries, a burden of future disability is being created that could have been prevented, or reduced.
 
Covid vaccination reduces the risk of developing long Covid, while current sufferers may experience an improvement in symptoms after getting jabbed, a comprehensive review by the UK Health Security Agency suggests.

The “rapid evidence briefing” drew together data from 15 UK and international studies, about half of which examined whether Covid vaccination protected against developing long Covid if someone had never been infected, while the rest looked at the impact of vaccination among people who already had long Covid.

It found that, as well as any benefit obtained by not catching the virus in the first place, those who do catch it are less likely to develop long Covid if they have received one or two doses of vaccine compared with unvaccinated individuals.

According to the two studies that measured individual long Covid symptoms, the fully vaccinated were less likely than unvaccinated people to develop medium- or long-term symptoms such as fatigue, headache, weakness in the arms and legs, persistent muscle pain, hair loss, dizziness, shortness of breath, loss of smell or scarring of the lungs.

“There is also evidence that unvaccinated people with long Covid who were subsequently vaccinated had, on average, reduced long Covid symptoms, or fewer long Covid symptoms than those who remained unvaccinated,” the review said.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ces-chance-of-getting-long-covid-studies-find

https://ukhsa.koha-ptfs.co.uk/cgi-bin/koha/opac-retrieve-file.pl?id=fe4f10cd3cd509fe045ad4f72ae0dfff
 
I believe antihistamines were only helpful for 2 subsets of pwLC in this article;

"One of her medical providers then prescribed Vistaril (hydroxyzine pamoate), a more potent antihistamine that's also used as an anti-anxiety medication. On a daily dose of the drug, "the patient had a nearly complete resolution of exercise intolerance, chest pain, fatigue, and brain fog," and her bruises, headaches and rashes steadily improved over time, the case report notes. After nine months of treatment, she'd regained about 90% of her pre-PASC functioning, and she was able to fully return to work and regularly exercise, as she had prior to her infection".


https://www.livescience.com/antihistamines-to-treat-long-covid-pasc
 
Dolphin said:
MON, 14 FEB, 2022 - 08:10
Cork treatment that’s a cure for Long Covid
A West Cork man talks about his ordeal with Long Covid, and how a treatment available in Bandon has turned his life around

https://www.echolive.ie/corklives/arid-40807614.html

The treatment is hyperbaric oxygen which has been around for decades and some people with ME/CFS have already tried. Don’t think I ever came across recoveries.

This person is still only working part-time so not sure “cure” is a good word for it.
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I have being going to hyperbaric oxygen for years. It is not a cure for ME but it gives the same lift as a day at the seaside, if you know what I mean. The clearest result is that I sleep much better after a session.

However, the clearest results are from wound healing. We have people with chronic leg ulcers which clear up after a few weeks. 6 weeks after a major operation I had forgotten it had just been a few weeks.

If parts of the body have been physically damaged by covid-19 then HBOT could well help with healing. Longcovid is such a mishmash of those who have ME like disease, those with a postviral who will recover in a few months and those who have organ damage.

If it is organ damage HBOT will speed up healing but recovery could take longer. I remember Paul Cheney saying that when he got his new heart it worked perfectly right from the start but it took his body almost a year to heal so that he truly recovered. Maybe something we do not take into account enough.
 
Medical News Today: "What is 'long COVID' and how does it affect those who experience it?"

"Extreme fatigue appears to be the common denominator between long haulers, which has led some specialists to compare or link the long COVID phenomenon with post-viral syndrome. The symptoms of this condition include a sense of exhaustion in the aftermath of a viral infection."

"They also suggest that myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME), or chronic fatigue syndrome, a condition that causes muscle aches, brain fog, and a debilitating sense of fatigue, may offer some clues on the mechanisms behind long COVID."
 
UCHealth Today: "People get help for a variety of confusing symptoms of long COVID"

"This is an important area of study, with a focus on the possibility that long COVID symptoms again overlap with another condition, myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS), Jolley said. Many of the symptoms of ME/CFS mirror those reported by long COVID patients, including sleep problems, joint and muscle pain, brain fog and cognitive impairment."

"A November 2021 paper in the Mayo Clinic Proceedings emphasized the difficulty of providing meaningful clinical help for patients suffering from these symptoms. The authors noted that ME/CFS was often undiagnosed or inadequately treated long before COVID-19 arrived."

“These problems are of increasing importance because, after acute COVID-19, a significant percentage of people remain ill for many months with an illness similar to ME/CFS"
 
Mij said:
I believe antihistamines were only helpful for 2 subsets of pwLC in this article;

"One of her medical providers then prescribed Vistaril (hydroxyzine pamoate), a more potent antihistamine that's also used as an anti-anxiety medication. On a daily dose of the drug, "the patient had a nearly complete resolution of exercise intolerance, chest pain, fatigue, and brain fog," and her bruises, headaches and rashes steadily improved over time, the case report notes. After nine months of treatment, she'd regained about 90% of her pre-PASC functioning, and she was able to fully return to work and regularly exercise, as she had prior to her infection".


https://www.livescience.com/antihistamines-to-treat-long-covid-pasc
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Could anti-histamines also be helpful in a subset of people with ME/CFS? Any anecdotal reports? I am pretty sure that I have an intolerance to high histamine foods (eg. cheese), I wonder if taking an anti-histamine would help.
 
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