Sharing in case this wasn't shared out yet here.

"We are beginning to plan for the next phase of RECOVER clinical trials. We will apply lessons learned from initial RECOVER studies and trials to develop a new program called RECOVER-Treating Long COVID (RECOVER-TLC)”

"We need your help to make RECOVER-TLC a success. To that end, please save Sept. 23-25 to participate in a RECOVER-TLC kick-off meeting, to be held both in person and virtually. We are inviting Long COVID researchers, healthcare providers, people affected by Long COVID, advocacy organizations, and Federal policymakers to come together to discuss the structure and governance of RECOVER-TLC, assess the current research landscape, and help plan future NIH Long COVID clinical trials."

Worth noting that “the new program will be led by NIAID”, as Marrazzo has apparently been a strong ally so far for this field from those that know more than I.



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I posted a gift link to the Washington Post website (free for two weeks, but sadly it requires an email address) on the thread dedicated to the Washington Post Live event:

https://www.s4me.info/threads/long-...th-9am-usa-east-coast-time.39511/#post-545000

The website has several video clips plus a full transcript.

I posted a youtube link to the full event in the same post.
 
Email sent, for some reason, to those of us signed up to ME/CFS Information email list.

News from NIH: Planning for the Next Phase of the RECOVER Initiative

Dear RECOVER & Long COVID Community:

We are writing to let you know about an important evolution in NIH’s operational approach to clinical trials to evaluate therapeutic interventions for Long COVID. The NIH Researching COVID to Enhance Recovery (RECOVER) Initiative has created a research engine of unprecedented scale and scope, including one of the largest and most diverse Long COVID cohorts in the world. RECOVER is led by three NIH Institutes convened by the NIH Director in 2020 to address the multi-system nature of Long COVID: the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI); the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID); and the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS).

To date, research conducted through the RECOVER Initiative has greatly contributed to our understanding of Long COVID, even as the condition has continued to evolve. It also has provided valuable experience in designing and conducting clinical trials to address patient-centered endpoints for this novel and complex condition. Most importantly, we’ve learned from the more than 30,000 people who have volunteered to be part of ongoing RECOVER studies and clinical trials. We are grateful for their continued participation and are looking forward to the valuable results that will emerge when the first round of RECOVER clinical trials is completed.

We are beginning to plan for the next phase of RECOVER clinical trials. We will apply lessons learned from initial RECOVER studies and trials to develop a new program called RECOVER-Treating Long COVID (RECOVER-TLC). As the current RECOVER clinical trials and studies continue, the emerging data will inform the ongoing work of RECOVER-TLC. The new program will be led by NIAID, leveraging its expertise in infectious and immunologic diseases and conditions and its experience in conducting COVID-19 clinical trials.

The new program will provide a clear path for ongoing scientific and community engagement to assess new ideas, identify potential therapeutics and biologics, and execute innovative study designs. Importantly, RECOVER-TLC will provide additional clinical trials capacity, building upon existing RECOVER clinical trial sites to maintain the involvement of investigators and participants who are deeply invested in Long COVID research and clinical care.

To make sure that RECOVER-TLC leverages all that has been learned over the past three years, we will call upon the broad research community to help identify promising therapeutic approaches and propose study designs that will produce results that are needed by those affected by Long COVID. This effort will be modeled on the successful process used in NIH’s Accelerating COVID-19 Therapeutic Interventions and Vaccines (ACTIV) program but modified to address newly identified biological mechanisms and unique symptoms associated with Long COVID.

We need your help to make RECOVER-TLC a success. To that end, please save Sept. 23-25 to participate in a RECOVER-TLC kick-off meeting, to be held both in person and virtually. We are inviting Long COVID researchers, healthcare providers, people affected by Long COVID, advocacy organizations, and Federal policymakers to come together to discuss the structure and governance of RECOVER-TLC, assess the current research landscape, and help plan future NIH Long COVID clinical trials.

More details about the meeting agenda and registration information will be coming soon. Be sure to sign up for email updates to receive the latest updates. We are excited about this new phase and look forward to your active participation and continued partnership.
 
Attendee list so far below - I know agenda will come out at some point in the following weeks.

(also I believe there is an option to not register with your name, so not everyone may reflect in the populated list)

Some attending names on this list so far include Robert Phair (Stanford/OMF), Linda Tannenbaum (OMF), Lucinda Bateman, Leonard Jason, Mady Hornig (Columbia), Stephanie Grach (Mayo Clinic), Lindsay McAlpine (Yale), Maureen Hanson (Cornell), Nancy Klimas, Jaime Seltzer (MEAction) and more.

https://web.cvent.com/event/11825c6...4-baee-972ae8dfa435?rt=Z9opfogxn0eAYYkLK-tbCg
 
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Dr. Ana Palacio asks: “What are the priorities for the clinical trials. What would you like seen?”

Dr. Al-Aly: “First & foremost, the voice of the patients, and I definitely don't want us to be thinking about clinical trials without patients really at the helm of that table and I'm really sorry to not be very enthusiastic about RECOVER. But you know, so far they in multiple steps, they sort of ignored the patient's voice, and that cannot be. I mean, this is ultimately about discovering treatment to help patients with Long COVID, right?

So, patients so first of all, really patients at the helm of it or at the top of that table. And then they need to listen to scientists. People like Nancy and others who have been really thinking about ME/CFS, thinking about Long COVID for a long time and amass all this expertise and leveraging all that expertise and all that know how, and really charting the way forward. That's really very important.

Because we’ve seen them over the past several years. Sort of going to newbies who've been, you know, thinking about Long COVID for two minutes and then and it's like - oh, you're gonna do this. You're gonna do this clinical trial for exercise? I'm like, oh, no, you know, people like Nancy and others have been have been thinking about this, and they know what works and what doesn't, then no, what sort of should really put be placed at a higher priority, and what should be deprioritized, so to speak.

So those are really very, very important strategic considerations, and charting the way forward, listening to patients and leaning on true expertise that has been amassed through really trials and error and trials and tribulation for decades, and studying ME/CFS and other infectious-associated chronic illnesses.”
 
8/28/24: "Two RECOVER study sites – ILLInet RECOVER and RECOVER Boston – collaborate with community-based organizations on Long COVID summit to improve understanding and treatment of the condition."

'On September 12, 2024, ILLInet RECOVER and UI (University of Illinois) Health will host a Long COVID Summit.'

'This summit will bring together experts, community leaders, lawmakers, and advocates to improve understanding of Long COVID and discuss how to better help the people and communities who have been impacted by the condition.'

Summit agenda listed here.
 
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I think that agenda encompasses an abundance of knowledge with the individuals asked to participate, but to each their own and of course will reserve judgment until the conference commences.

I have had nothing but positive interactions with Davenport, Seltzer, Peter Rowe, Al-Aly, Meriquez Vázquez, McCorkell, Krishnan, Koralnik, Azola, Krumholz, Davis, Utz, Deeks, Peluso, Moore Vogel, Patterson, Geng, Breen, and Singh. This is just my experience, but each of those individuals to me, displayed a pretty apt knowledge of ME, in my opinion (and from what I have visibility to, their track record would probably reaffirm that notion).

I’d encourage to not slander this whole group (or questioning ME expertise) before they even take the stage, but just my two cents.
 
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If they had any interest in addressing Covid triggered MECFS, then this is really bad. Like maybe two people here have any expertise in MECFS. I’m not happy. Somebody calm me down.
I went through peoples names. If they had involvement in ME research or shown awareness of either ME or PASC with PEM in interviews, I bolded their names and included links. 19 are ME aware or expert, and 24 have not published or spoken about ME that I could find. I left out two people from pharma and some of the NIH names / advocates we already know.

Julie Gerberding, FNIH, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6482157/, https://www.nature.com/news/2006/060417/full/news060417-8.html
Lindsey Baden, BWH/Harvard
Dr. Jerry Krishnan, University of Illinois at Chicago
Dr. Sharon Saydah, CDC, https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/07/240724123010.htm
Dr. Serena Spudich, Yale, https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/how-to-manage-long-covid-brain-fog
Dr. Ian Simon, DHHS/OASH https://thesicktimes.org/2024/02/27...s-office-of-long-covid-research-and-practice/
Dr. Mike Sneller, NIAID
Dr. Ziyad Al-Aly, VA/Wash U
Dr. Leora Horwitz
, NYU, https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2805540
Dr. Igor J. Koralnik, M.D, Northwestern University
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8366804.1/
Dr. Melissa Stockwell, Columbia University (talks about PEM in this article) https://thesicktimes.org/2024/02/13...hildren-how-recover-aims-to-answer-questions/
Dr. Helen Ward, Imperial College
Dr. Simon Pollett, DoD
Dr. Michael Peluso, UCSF, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10543503/
Dr. P. J. Utz, Stanford
Dr. Harlan Krumholz, Yale,
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-arti...rly-understood-ailments-like-chronic-fatigue/
Dr. Resia Pretorius, Stellenbosch University
Dr. Alba Azola, https://www.linkedin.com/in/alba-azola-640417129
Dr. Stephen Deeks, https://solvecfs.org/event/lessons-...ew-hope-for-treating-post-infection-diseases/
Dr. Kanecia Zimmerman, Duke
Dr. Upinder Singh, University of Iowa, https://domannualreports.stanford.e...e-and-answers-at-stanfords-long-covid-clinic/
Dr. Eldrin F. Lewis, Stanford
Dr. Julia Moore Vogel, Scripps, https://www.linkedin.com/posts/juli...udy-scripps-activity-7173018706699046912-X8kn
Dr. Heather Stone, FDA
Dr. Timothy G. Buchman, Emory
Dr. Stacey Adam, FNIH
Dr. Josh Fessel, NCATS
Dr. Sarah Read, NIAID
Dr. Sharon Saydah, CDC, https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2821459
Dr. Sally Hodder, West Virginia University
Dr. Priscilla Hsue, UCLA
Dr. Christopher McAleer, AIM Immunotech
Dr. Thomas F. Patterson, UT San Antonio
Dr. Lawrence Fine, NHLBI
Dr. Dean Follmann, NIAID
Dr. Alison K. Cohen, UCSF, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10543503/, https://www.researchgate.net/public...nnective_tissue_disorders_a_literature_review
Dr. Linda Geng, Stanford, https://domannualreports.stanford.e...e-and-answers-at-stanfords-long-covid-clinic/
Dr. Adrian Hernandez, Duke
Dr. Roberta DeBiasi, Children's National
Dr. Gail Pearson, NHLB
Dr. Sindhu Mohandas, Children's Hospital Los Angeles
Dr. Jerry Krishnan, University of Illinois at Chicago
Dr. Catherine Blish, Stanford — advisor to OMF Stanford working group https://www.omf.ngo/collaborative-research-center-stanford-update/
 
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At the risk of getting mods mad—I’m making this a new thread.

This is the agenda for this meeting. https://recovercovid.org/sites/default/files/docs/RECOVER-TLC_Workshop-Agenda.pdf

If they had any interest in addressing Covid triggered MECFS, then this is really bad. Like maybe two people here have any expertise in MECFS. I’m not happy. Somebody calm me down.
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not looked yet but thanks for heads up
I now feel like when you don’t know whether to peer between the finger of your hands you put over your eyes fir a horror film (although as I can’t watch those at all then a scene that came up unexpectedly in something that promised me it wasn’t horror)
 
I think that agenda encompasses an abundance of knowledge with the individuals asked to participate, but to each their own and of course will reserve judgment until the conference commences.

I have had nothing but positive interactions with Davenport, Seltzer, Peter Rowe, Al-Aly, Meriquez Vázquez, McCorkell, Krishnan, Koralnik, Azola, Krumholz, Davis, Utz, Deeks, Peluso, Moore Vogel, Patterson, Geng, Breen, and Singh. This is just my experience, but each of those individuals to me, displayed a pretty apt knowledge of ME, in my opinion (and from what I have visibility to, their track record would probably reaffirm that notion).

I’d encourage to not slander this whole group (or questioning ME expertise) before they even take the stage, but just my two cents.

I’d heed your own advice & calm down - be your own critic as a virtual attendee of the event before going overboard on this. Then make your judgement. You can always write to NIH leadership on your thoughts on this (or to your elected officials) as well.
 
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Davenport and Seltzer are fine! So is Lipkin! I even like Nath!

It is not about positive interactions. My criticism is that if they are interested in researching
Covid triggered MECFS, then there are better, more established scientists they could invite. I don’t really wish to litigate this whole thing but here is a sample.

Al Aly is basically calling every symptom ever recorded, including things like constipation as Long Covid. He also just published a very long review on Long Covid, that @Andy said mentioned MECFS only twice. How does that help MECFS patients (including Covid triggered MECFS)?

We have had threads about AP dabbling in pseudoscience.

Here is @Jonathan Edwards on Krumholz

Harlan Krumholz at Yale - does a lot of Tik Tok work it seems.
 
And in the non-expert participants I notice many who are very well-versed. Not so bad considering the awful start. Should be a lot better, easily, but compared to the usual input this is a bit above average.

It's frustrating that they are taking the longest way around, the profession is so heavily invested in finding anything that veers the whole thing off and leaves us behind, but that's the only way it can happen. This is mostly a political process, about managing perceptions, with science a distant third after the cultural ego issues they have to get over.

The only question is whether this is enough to get to the starting line, or if money runs out before they get around to doing real work. Which doesn't look likely.

What would be really great here would be to convey the simple message that leaving us out, and the same is true of other chronic illnesses, IBS for example is very prevalent in LC, means they leave everyone out, that the whole thing will fail and they will end up helping no one at all. It will mostly fall on deaf ears but it's true and saying it out loud is still important in a context in which it will come back to haunt them.
 
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