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ME/CFS services in the United Kingdom

Discussion in 'UK clinics and doctors' started by Hutan, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    New ME/CFS clinic opens in Aylsham

    https://www.ecch.org/news/posts/2019/may/new-mecfs-clinic-opens-in-aylsham/

    don't know any more.
    anyone have any experience of this or their other clinics?
     
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  2. Daisy

    Daisy Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    @Sly Saint the clinic is part of the therapy led Norfolk and Suffolk Service...They had been criticized for not offering geographical coverage in North Norfolk, hence Aylesham.

    There is very little to say that is good about the Provider ECCH, or indeed about Gt Yarmouth and Waveney CCG.

    Repeated complaints from patients and Patient / Carer Group about the service have gone unaddressed in Norfolk and Waveney. Suffolk CCG's, to their credit are continuing to engage with service users.
     
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  3. Suffolkres

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    I am collating patient experiences of East Coast CH and will post any feedback from the "new" clinic which provides better access, not better services for those in North Norfolk.
    I have been collating info on the service limitations and insufficiency which we will use to issue a formal joint group's complaint about poor service provision in Norfolk and Waveney.
    • "... they follow NICE but only do pacing. However there are issues with the service. They are considering reintroducing cbt, there is no consultant and no biomedical testing for comorbidities etc. Access remains impossible for the most severe cases who are house and bedbound as there are no home visits. This move doesn't form a substantial improvement...."

    • " ......with service specification, which is historic going back to about 2008. ECCH stated at the Health Overview meeting that CBT GET do nor form part of the spec for the service. That was ruled out on 2008 when we appraised NICE and it was rejected by us patients /carer representatives and that decision was accepted by the commissioners who were developing the service contract.. They cover children and have a physio who co ordinates for them. The OT Physio espe and most senior practitioners are decent and supportive though limited in resource. I have had a long working relationship with them over 15 years as a rep. They have been very helpful over time. It's the ECCH most senior Management and Waveney who are the real problem..."
     
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  7. Suffolkres

    Suffolkres Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    They just hire rooms.......as and when......often not ME suitable ....
     
  8. NelliePledge

    NelliePledge Moderator Staff Member

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    I’m hearing that people in my area are being offered GET through the reorganised NHS Service which is community based alongside pain service as opposed to previous hospital based (no doctor involved) service which had moved to a PACE lite management programme approach. Seems the reorganisation has been a retrograde step.

    ETA flagging to @adambeyoncelowe and @Keela Too for info

    ETA 2 I understand the offering of GET is being done in quite a pushy way
     
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  9. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    "Cambridgeshire Community Services
    New CFS/ME booklet for GPs
    CPFTs Chronic Fatigue Syndrome /Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (CFS/ME) service has updated its GP booklet – a guide to the diagnosis and management of CFS/ME in primary care. The team has also produced a poster for GP surgeries and waiting rooms. Aimed at both GPs and patients, the it highlights symptoms, how to refer, and a web link for self-help resource."

    https://www.cambridgeshireandpeterb...-resources/latest-news/gp-news-2-august-2019/

    separate link to GP booklet:
    https://www.cpft.nhs.uk/Documents/CFS ME/GP booklet Apr 2019.pdf

    may be of interest to @PhysiosforME

    eta: haven't checked in detail to see what has changed
     
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  10. Sly Saint

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    Somerset Partnership NHS
    Job advert
    https://www.nhsjobs.com/job/UK/Some..._specialist_interest_Chronic_Fatique-v1900072
     
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  11. PhysiosforME

    PhysiosforME Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Thank you for sharing this
     
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  12. NelliePledge

    NelliePledge Moderator Staff Member

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    Ugh -Cambridgshire materials- fatigue that cannot be explained by an underlying medical condition
     
  13. rvallee

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    I'm still not quite sure how much this concept differs from humours. It does, kinda, just so very little. It just uses different names like anxiety and trauma but otherwise it's quite frankly even less scientific given how thoroughly it has been falsified by now.

    Like... blood I guess can be seen as the initial infection they pretend to take into account. Phlegm is clearly fatigue. Yellow bile is anxiety. Black bile is depression or trauma. How does the BPS crap seriously differ from that? 1% 5%? At best. If you squint. And hold your breath to starve it of oxygen.

    You know, I think I'll refer to the BPS model as the humours from now on. It might as well be the same thing with just enough hand-waving to pretend it isn't.
     
  14. Suffolkres

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    Actually, I found the booklet quite 'neutral and uncontroversial!
    It is better than I was expecting.....
     
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  15. JaneL

    JaneL Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    They are recommending graded activity, goal setting and exercise as management strategies for ME/CFS.

    So the booklet does not seem all that neutral or uncontroversial to me...?
     
  16. rvallee

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    The use of setback alone is completely inappropriate. It's not a valid term in this context outside of the ideological framing of "there is no disease, you can aim for full recovery" and deterioration, even if permanent and severe, is just a bump on the road to progress that is guaranteed if you just believe in it.

    Goal setting is very charged as well. Creates a false emphasis on motivation, as if it played a role. Is "not projectile vomiting" a goal to someone suffering from food poisoning?

    Rejecting reality and substituting their own, as is tradition.
     
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  17. Sly Saint

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    Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS)/
    Myalgic Encephalopathy (ME)
    Management Programme

    joke?

    http://www.srft.nhs.uk/EasysiteWeb/getresource.axd?AssetID=43129&type=full&servicetype=Inline
     
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  18. NelliePledge

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    CFS clinic motto fake it till you make it

    :rofl:
    They’re certainly faking having anything that could honestly be described as “specialist knowledge” of ME/CFS
     
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  19. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Self Help Information for Patients
    https://www.cpft.nhs.uk/PDF/Miscellaneous/Patient Self Help Information Booklet May 2017.pdf
     
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