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News about Long Covid including its relationship to ME/CFS 2020 to 2021

Discussion in 'Long Covid news' started by Hip, Jan 21, 2020.

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  1. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    So not only is he stealing 'our' battery thingie, but he's also fully backing GET - on the BBC, today.

    Gotta love 'em :devilish:
     
  2. Mij

    Mij Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    From leokittens video:

    "if you stay well within your energy window, then the window itself will get bigger over time"
     
  3. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    But surely this would cause structural damage?

    :banghead:
     
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  4. NelliePledge

    NelliePledge Moderator Staff Member

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    Sounds like Dr Strain would benefit from doing the MECFS CPD module. Perhaps a copy of the MEA Purple Book as well...........
     
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  5. NelliePledge

    NelliePledge Moderator Staff Member

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    What is the source of the video @leokitten?
     
  6. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    https://twitter.com/user/status/1362396550564052996


    Of course that's the whole point. If it gets defined, it will be harder to shunt it into the MUS void. Everyone who argues against defining LC wants it to be forgotten in the psychosomatic bin and won't care one bit about the consequences.
     
  7. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Body Politic statement on the growing trend of locking up LC in the CBT/GET paradigm.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m8-2WklPS_n2IuIl-ycm58fHSlKV9RP8g-lxqf3NjOk/edit

    In light of recent public conversations about the role of exercise, neural training, and cognitive behavioral therapy in Long COVID recoveries, we at Body Politic want to make clear our stance on certain rehabilitation methods, and the varied paths to Long COVID recovery.

    COVID-19 is a novel virus, and there is much we still don’t know about “Long COVID” (the patient-coined term for long-term symptoms following a COVID-19 infection). Researchers and clinicians are actively working to understand what causes long-term symptoms, why some patients develop them, and whether all patients will be able to eventually make a full recovery. Until quality research is completed, it is important that we not rush to conclusions about what Long COVID is or how to treat it. It is also worth noting that while many Long COVID patients have similar symptoms, “Long COVID” still serves as an umbrella term for a variety of experiences.

    Because Long COVID symptoms and experiences are diverse, we believe it is dangerous to promote treatments with insufficient evidence, especially when they may be harmful to a subset of patients.

    Body Politic prides itself on being historically informed and patient-centered. We believe it is vital to listen to chronic illness and disability communities. Many Long COVID patients have gone on to be diagnosed with other conditions, including Myalgic Encephalomyelitis / Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS). In a recent study conducted by Body Politic’s research partner, the Patient-Led Research Collaborative, an average of 72% of the surveyed patients reported experiencing Post-Exertional Malaise (PEM) – a common ME/CFS symptom – after month six. Our peers in the ME/CFS community have been vital allies in the fight to understand Long COVID in the context of other post-infectious sequelae and advocate for patients’ needs. Research findings on ME/CFS must be considered when promoting treatments and rehabilitation programs for Long COVID patients who exhibit similar symptoms.

    Both Long COVID patients and others with chronic and acute illnesses have reported being psychologized by clinicians and denied care as a result. This phenomenon fits into a much larger history of medical providers prescribing positive thinking and exercise therapies as cures for chronically ill and disabled patients. Such suggestions place blame on those suffering and are rooted in ableism. In the United Kingdom, people with ME/CFS have often been prescribed Graded Exercise Therapy (GET) along with Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), despite evidence that contradicts these recommendations and patients’ testimonies that these therapies worsen symptoms. To broadly claim that GET or “brain training” can cure Long COVID puts those living with Long COVID at risk. It also ignores the history of those living with other chronic illnesses.

    Each person living with Long COVID has their own unique path to recovery. We do not deny that certain treatment options such as physical rehabilitation, nutritional programs, cognitive exercises, or therapies can be beneficial for some patients, but there is still too little information – and too much potential for harm – to promote these treatments for all.

    Those of us who run patient support groups or speak publicly about our experiences have a responsibility to use caution and provide context when promoting therapies or treatments. We believe there is power in community and that we must center patients’ voices. Most importantly, we must consider history and prior research findings and analyses when representing patients’ needs or speaking on their behalf.

     
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    Adam pwme Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    https://twitter.com/user/status/1362452846986330113
     
  9. leokitten

    leokitten Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Deutsche Welle News
     
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    Hsan't strain recently been quoted as being a researcher on ME/CFS, and thought to be reasonably sound? God help us.
     
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  11. Andy

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    A hugely important message and one that many in the ME/CFS community still could do with taking on board.
     
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  12. MSEsperanza

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    There was this:
    https://www.s4me.info/threads/briti...ere-before-2021-j-trueland.19115/#post-324191
     
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    David Strain

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    So to set the record straight. I said Around 2/3rds make a good recovery and live a normal life. To a large number of people this is a hugely debilitating life-long condition. Please accept my apologies for the way it came over. We do listen and are trying to find cure.


    I think maybe Dr Strain should take his earplugs out and listen a bit harder. I have no idea why my colleagues when researching a disease do not join patient support groups to hear what patients have to say. I found that hugely useful when working on rituximab - to find out what people really wanted.
     
  16. MSEsperanza

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    The NIHR about the four funded projects:

    NIHR: £18.5 million awarded to new research projects to understand and treat long COVID

    REACT long COVID (REACT-LC)
    Professor Paul Elliott, Imperial College London - £5.4 million

    Therapies for long COVID in non-hospitalised individuals: from symptoms, patient-reported outcomes and immunology to targeted therapies (The TLC Study)
    Dr Shamil Haroon and Professor Melanie Calvert, University of Birmingham - £2.3 million

    Characterisation, determinants, mechanisms and consequences of the long-term effects of COVID-19: providing the evidence base for health care services
    Professor Nishi Chaturvedi, University College London - £9.6 million

    Non-hospitalised children and young people with long COVID (The CLoCk Study)
    Professor Sir Terence Stephenson, UCL Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health - £1.4 million
    https://www.nihr.ac.uk/news/185-mil...ects-to-understand-and-treat-long-covid/26895
     
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    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Studies relying on health records are a terrible idea. Those health records are less reliable than tea leaves.
     
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  19. rainy

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    Taking that metaphor that ME/CFS patients have been using for ages to explain our illness, and then saying it doesn't apply to us. I can't believe it.

    If they are going to use our ways of explaining our experiences, why can't they also believe our experiences?

    Explaining the experience of illness is really hard. It's something the patient community has worked hard on, in desperate attempts to make our illness more understandable to people that don't have it them selves.

    It's not just "your words don't count", it's "your words don't count for you, but they count when I use them". :(
     
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  20. petrichor

    petrichor Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    There's an interesting pattern of people explaining how Long Covid is different to CFS by saying it has some special characteristic. However, that characteristic also often happens to be even a defining characteristic of CFS. It just goes to show that many people think they know much more about CFS than they actually do.
     
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