Petition: Per Fink Should Not Spread Lies about ME at Columbia University!

ACCME has an article on how CME credit providers should deal with controversial topics:
https://www.accme.org/highlights/dealing-controversial-topics-your-cme-program

An excerpt:
CME providers need to develop activities that encourage free and rigorous scientific discourse — while ensuring that faculty do not advocate or promote unscientific treatments and that clinical care recommendations are based on established scientific consensus. When a CME activity includes information about an approach to diagnosis or treatment that is not generally accepted, it is allowable to facilitate debate and discussion about the approach, but it is not allowable to advocate for the test or treatment, or teach clinicians how or when to use it.
 
Saffron said:
ACCME has an article on how CME credit providers should deal with controversial topics:
https://www.accme.org/highlights/dealing-controversial-topics-your-cme-program

An excerpt:
CME providers need to develop activities that encourage free and rigorous scientific discourse — while ensuring that faculty do not advocate or promote unscientific treatments and that clinical care recommendations are based on established scientific consensus. When a CME activity includes information about an approach to diagnosis or treatment that is not generally accepted, it is allowable to facilitate debate and discussion about the approach, but it is not allowable to advocate for the test or treatment, or teach clinicians how or when to use it.
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That seems relevant. Thanks for pointing it out. Hope it's of use for those raising concern about this.
 
I assume this is a statement regarding Per Fink. Official statement signed by Ian Lipkin.


Our studies of blood, cerebrospinal fluid, saliva and feces, using state-of-the-art methods that include microbial gene sequencing, metabolomics, proteomics, and immunological profiling, confirm that patients with ME/CFS have biological abnormalities that cannot be characterized as psychosomatic.

Committees convened by the National Academies of Sciences, the National Institutes of Health, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have also concluded that ME/CFS is not a psychosomatic disorder.

We are committed to actively investigating the causes of immunological and metabolic abnormalities in ME/CFS. Our hope is that this work will enable insights that lead to treatments.
 
Kalliope said:
I assume this is a statement regarding Per Fink. Official statement signed by Ian Lipkin.


Our studies of blood, cerebrospinal fluid, saliva and feces, using state-of-the-art methods that include microbial gene sequencing, metabolomics, proteomics, and immunological profiling, confirm that patients with ME/CFS have biological abnormalities that cannot be characterized as psychosomatic.

Committees convened by the National Academies of Sciences, the National Institutes of Health, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have also concluded that ME/CFS is not a psychosomatic disorder.

We are committed to actively investigating the causes of immunological and metabolic abnormalities in ME/CFS. Our hope is that this work will enable insights that lead to treatments.
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Yeah, basically the important part is
Committees convened by the National Academies of Sciences, the National Institutes of Health, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have also concluded that ME/CFS is not a psychosomatic disorder.
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Whether or not ME/CFS is considered a psychosomatic disorder or not is irrelevant (by the researchers at Columbia). The problem with Fink is his comittment to poor quality science and use of authority to harm certain patients (KH).
 
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Even if ME/CFS was purely psychosomatic the BPS crowd are still behaving like arse clowns, and should still not be allowed anywhere near patients or advisory positions.

Given their track record, I wouldn't trust these creeps to handle a wet tissue safely.
 
Statement from Aarhus University Hospital
Danish research on functional disorders causes a stir in the USA

The Danish consultant and professor, Per Fink, PhD, DMSc, has been invited to Columbia University in New York to share his knowledge on functional disorders at the conference "Healing 'unexplainable' pain: Advances in Multidisciplinary Integrated Psychosomatic Care".

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In Denmark, some individuals are against researchers' deviation from the classic distinction between physical and mental illness while trying to examine illness and treatment in a broad and multifactorial or bio-psycho-social approach. This resistance is an international phenomenon and in The States, some of the opponents have formed groups calling themselves 'patient activists'. A group of activists has taken initiative to a petition against Per Fink's active participation in the conference in New York. However, the organizers of the Columbia University conference have resisted this attempt to restrict the academic free discussion.
 
Kalliope said:
Statement from Aarhus University Hospital
Danish research on functional disorders causes a stir in the USA

The Danish consultant and professor, Per Fink, PhD, DMSc, has been invited to Columbia University in New York to share his knowledge on functional disorders at the conference "Healing 'unexplainable' pain: Advances in Multidisciplinary Integrated Psychosomatic Care".

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In Denmark, some individuals are against researchers' deviation from the classic distinction between physical and mental illness while trying to examine illness and treatment in a broad and multifactorial or bio-psycho-social approach. This resistance is an international phenomenon and in The States, some of the opponents have formed groups calling themselves 'patient activists'. A group of activists has taken initiative to a petition against Per Fink's active participation in the conference in New York. However, the organizers of the Columbia University conference have resisted this attempt to restrict the academic free discussion.
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Well, that was as expected – one-sided and totally missing the point.
 
It's the obvious, easy response from them. It would have been a lot of work to make it difficult for them to respond like this, and a lot of care to avoid the "some individuals are against researchers' deviation from the classic distinction between physical and mental illness" stuff.
 
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In Denmark, some individuals are against researchers' deviation from the classic distinction between physical and mental illness while trying to examine illness and treatment in a broad and multifactorial or bio-psycho-social approach. This resistance is an international phenomenon and in The States, some of the opponents have formed groups calling themselves 'patient activists'. A group of activists has taken initiative to a petition against Per Fink's active participation in the conference in New York. However, the organizers of the Columbia University conference have resisted this attempt to restrict the academic free discussion.
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I like the way this indicates that whoever wrote it has no clue.

Surely we should applaud resistance to deviation?
And wasn't it the other people who called the patient activists?
It reads like a robot compilation.
 
Kalliope said:
Statement from Aarhus University Hospital
Danish research on functional disorders causes a stir in the USA

The Danish consultant and professor, Per Fink, PhD, DMSc, has been invited to Columbia University in New York to share his knowledge on functional disorders at the conference "Healing 'unexplainable' pain: Advances in Multidisciplinary Integrated Psychosomatic Care".

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In Denmark, some individuals are against researchers' deviation from the classic distinction between physical and mental illness while trying to examine illness and treatment in a broad and multifactorial or bio-psycho-social approach. This resistance is an international phenomenon and in The States, some of the opponents have formed groups calling themselves 'patient activists'. A group of activists has taken initiative to a petition against Per Fink's active participation in the conference in New York. However, the organizers of the Columbia University conference have resisted this attempt to restrict the academic free discussion.
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Sorry to say it but the petition was a stupid idea and this outcome played right into their hands and is inevitable. They will now try to give more controversial talks in high profile institutions just to troll us and will be aiming to have further "protests against academic freedom". Making a petition to demand that someone should not speak at a University is the height of stupidity. They will make more traction out of such demands than not speaking at a University at all.
 
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large donner said:
Sorry to say it but the petition was a stupid idea and this outcome played right into their hands and is inevitable. They will now try to give more controversial talks in high profile institutions just to troll us and will be aiming to have further "protests against academic freedom". Making a petition to demand that someone should not speak at a University is the height of stupidity. They will make more traction out of such demands than not speaking at a University at all.
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I disagree, our opposition needs to be shown somehow. The support of other scientists and establishment members shows that it's not just a case of patients being vexatious. And I think labelling it the height of stupidity is unnecessarily harsh.
 
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large donner said:
Sorry to say it but the petition was a stupid idea and this outcome played right into their hands and is inevitable. They will now try to give more controversial talks in high profile institutions just to troll us and will be aiming to have further "protests against academic freedom". Making a petition to demand that someone should not speak at a University is the height of stupidity. They will make more traction out of such demands than not speaking at a University at all.
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I mostly agree and it's really all about the word 'demand'. Replace that with 'Urge to reconsider due to grave ethical and scientific concerns' or something and that clears it up for me.

I personally wouldn't care at all if he spoke at some stand-alone psychosomatic conference, but NY State granting continuing education credit for attendance is sort of an endorsement and this I think gives some grounds for petitions and whatnot.

People should be using reason to try to get other people to see the problems; rather than attempting to exert power to enforce a viewpoint, which is toxic and counterproductive.

I don't think it gives them much new to work with - it seems like they've been going on and on for a long time about 'being shut down by people who don't like our findings' or whatever. And they'd go with that even if the petition was totally reasonable.
 
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The reason that they are demanding he not speak is because what he will say will be harmful.

Seems pretty clear from Dave Tuller
Someone uninformed or stupid or maybe both decided to invite Danish physician Per Fink to present at a conference on so-called psychosomatic medicine being held this weekend at Columbia University. Fink—I won’t dignify him by using an honorific–is a scary guy. He should never have been provided with this prestigious platform—in my home town, no less.
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http://www.virology.ws/2018/10/16/trial-by-error-per-fink-in-new-york/

I am personally uncomfortable with uninviting people—even horrible people—once they have been invited to talk somewhere. But I understand why others feel differently. Fink is not just giving a speech. In this case, conference attendees can receive continuing medical education credits, which they need to maintain their professional standing. Fink will undoubtedly be offering harmful and unscientific advice to clinicians unaware of his background. So I am sympathetic to the request to remove him from the schedule, despite my own overall uneasiness about such a strategy.
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http://www.virology.ws/2018/10/16/trial-by-error-per-fink-in-new-york/

and here he's in support of the protest - in fact the blog is a reminder about it.
So here’s an official New York #MEAction announcement about the event. I would be there tomorrow if I weren’t still in London trying to make my own noise.
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http://www.virology.ws/2018/10/19/trial-by-error-a-reminder-about-saturdays-columbia-protest/

and David seems clear of his opinion of Fink, I think it's quite reasonable to demand that someone described thus be not allowed to speak.
you have decided to invite to your gathering a man involved in what can only be called the kidnapping and torture of a vulnerable young Danish woman diagnosed with the illness you have just indicated is a serious organic disease.
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Your invitation to Fink is a disgrace–an insult to millions of patients around the world confronted daily with the sort of nonsense he and his collaborators in the UK and elsewhere have promulgated for many, many years.
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http://www.virology.ws/2018/10/17/trial-by-error-the-psychosomatic-conferences-pathetic-response/
 
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