Paul Garner on Long Covid and ME/CFS - BMJ articles and other media.

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  1. Tia

    Tia Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I wonder if the death threats were investigated, you'd hope so.
     
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    Don’t worry, he’s consistently repeating his rather dull story.
     
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    It would be interesting to hear her views on things.
     
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  4. MrMagoo

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    Paul believes he had Long Covid and (coz someone said he met Canadian Consensus Criteria) ME and he cured it by thinking differently, so I don’t put much stock in what he believes will or won’t happen.
    He is also closer to “three score years and ten” so he’s on a more limited timeframe than say, me, to see if a drug or test pops up. N.B. This is a statement of fact, not a threat. I wouldn’t want anyone to get those mixed up.
     
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    Without going too off topic, I would think the chance of discovering an overall test or drug to treat long covid is essentially zero, because the group is so heterogeneous, even compared with ME/CFS. So in that respect, Paul is probably right.
     
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    Eleanor Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    https://meassociation.org.uk/2025/0...ation-applies-to-me-cfs-or-indeed-long-covid/

    "The ME Association fervently refutes the psychosomatic model of causation applies to ME/CFS or indeed Long Covid"

    Unfortunately, just saying you don't believe something isn't the same as refuting it.

    It's a shame Charles Shepherd wasn't able to give some reasons why the psychosomatic version doesn't hold up, rather than just saying he doesn't believe it works for everyone.
     
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  7. Trish

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    He may have said a lot more than the journalist used.
     
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  8. Eleanor

    Eleanor Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I mean in the ME Association piece.
     
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  9. MrMagoo

    MrMagoo Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It’s ok, if you’re a Dr or Professor you just say what it is that you believe, that’s good enough.
     
  10. John Mac

    John Mac Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    You're forgetting you also have to fabricate studies to prove your belief is right.
     
  11. MrMagoo

    MrMagoo Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Nah not always, you just say it, and it’s true. The young people call it “manifesting”. It’s kind of like making stuff up to suit you. Even the study fabricators believe they're right - and they didn’t even carry out a proper study!
     
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    If I recall, the scuba dooba trip,was also a professional conference trip, so a Multi tasker to boot! Will check this out, but if I recall, also a lot of interviews and broadcasts too!
    No PEM on Paul!
     
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    So, compassionate Paul, whoo, awhile 7 weeks thinking he was dying ......
    What a shock!?


    Professor of infectious diseases, Paul Garner, suffered with the symptoms of Coronavirus for seven weeks, he told @chriswarburton about his experience... Listen via @bbcsounds http://bbc.in/2PhIk3d
     
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    Just as a reminder: the first post in this thread is this article from May 5th, 2020.
    https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/05/0...ith-the-constantly-shifting-bizarre-symptoms/
     
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    Still sick in September 2020:
    https://www.s4me.info/threads/paul-...cles-and-other-media.15629/page-6#post-286593
    Something happened in October 2020 and he was was «cured» by GET in three weeks.
    https://www.s4me.info/threads/paul-...cles-and-other-media.15629/page-7#post-309072
     
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    Who didn’t he tell?
     
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  20. MrMagoo

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    sadly the Google translate wouldn’t turn it into English and I don’t really understand much Norwegian, so I treated myself to Dave Tuller’s excoriating blog which was linked in the article.
     
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