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Michael Sharpe skewered by @JohntheJack on Twitter

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS news' started by Indigophoton, Apr 9, 2018.

  1. Indigophoton

    Indigophoton Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The context, as supplied by Sharpe, suggests that he is so convinced of the accuracy and veracity of what was written in the PACE paper, and so upset about the allegations of misconduct, that he thinks Carol M is telling porkies to MPs.

    At what point will it occur to him that maybe he doesn't understand his own field of research?
     
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  2. large donner

    large donner Guest

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    Oh dear how dare anyone be critical of scientific studies and scientists? Doh!!!

    Technically speaking PACE isn't a scientific study anyway it just a jumbled up mess of nonsense with more moving of goalposts than the Scottish football fans attending a match against England at Wembley. scottish goalposts moving.jpg
     
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  3. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I don't understand the 'can't respond' thing at all either. We've been pushing them to respond for years.


    This tweet has disappeared now. Anyone got a copy of it?
     
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  5. Matt (@DondochakkaB)

    Matt (@DondochakkaB) Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    I can honestly say, I don't know what happens next here. These psychiatrists have had the freedom to lead on this disease without accountability for decades. They're used to having access to power and the ear of the media. Working amongst colleagues of a like mind and with the favour of institutions, it's easy to see how they have thrived for such a long time. If Sharpe has a conscience and (strangely) I suspect he does, the weight of reversing his opinion is so potentially damaging to his mental health, that it has become inconceivable.

    It has become something of an anthropological curiousity at this point.

    I think the Lancet is likely to make some sort of move first. Surely it must smell the foul air after thursday's debate. Wouldn't be the worst gesture to offer to publish Wilshire et al's paper.
     
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  6. Sean

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    From PACE (2011), Panel 2, page 12.

    Make of it what you will.
     
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  7. Inara

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    Maybe that's not Sharpe himself, but someone he pays for twittering? :D
     
  8. NelliePledge

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    No someone was hinting last night that SWessely had probably given MS a bottle of vodka
     
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  9. Inara

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    In my experience, up til now, all pain got worse because of activity; I simply ignored it as long as possible to a point where I couldn't anymore, and then, actually, it was too late, i.e. the damage was done and irreversible.

    Pretty stupid by the way! Tell a professional athlete to ignore his pain due to injuries; it won't be long and he's no professional athlete anymore. How could one ever believe the "ignore the symptons, they are not meaningful" crap? I can't believe I did somewhere in my life, thinking about it.
     
  10. TiredSam

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    Has that become a fact now? I'll have to be more careful ...
     
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  11. Skycloud

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    True!

    What I'm saying is it wouldn't have been (or still be) be nearly so damaging if establishment institutions hadn't failed in their oversight, or colluded with and empowered that model and the Wessely group. It suited them, still does, I should think, until they are shamed out of it. For insurance companies and successive governments it was a gift for their policies. They are culpable for the harm too and they still have the power. BPSers, especially Wessely, have been enabled to have international reach in more than one sector, rather than left as comparatively lowly clinicians, because they had the right idea at the right time, with a veneer of authority, to suit the powers that be. (Not meant to slight clinicians!)

    I was referring to PACE and Sharpe as a focus for that point.

    eta - probably too off topic
     
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  13. Luther Blissett

    Luther Blissett Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I'm about 20 pages behind, but if anyone is interested, putting

    from:profmsharpe since:2018-01-01 until:2018-06-22

    into the twitter search should bring up tweets from this year for browsing through. Dates can be changed as wanted.

    you can add keywords like "trial" to the search to narrow down areas of interest.
     
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    Not an expert in this realm, and I've never studied English law, however our system in the US is based on English law. The foundation of any defamation action is that the statements were false. Therefore, if the statements are true, there is no defamation. It seems to me, CM was only reiterating what MS had actually stated. I don't see privilege on the grounds it was in letter form between two parties...that is not a de facto source of privilege as far as I'm aware.
     
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  15. Luther Blissett

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    I've tried to extract all his tweets from 01 Jan 2018, and it collected up to 30 Apr 2018. I've run up against the limit of server requests (i think).

    Anyway, it's attached in .txt format.

    Pros:
    • text searchable
    • contains twitter 'id's'
    • contains every tweet (i think)
    • better results than using the twitter site search function
    Cons:
    • contains lots of Michael Sharpe
    • not the best format, but semi-readale. (Not for people who find blocks of text troublesome)
    To find the matching tweet, add the 'id' after status/ in either this format

    twitter.com/anyuser/status/

    or after his status/ when you are on his twitter page.

    In the brainfog this caused, I've managed to loose the script I used, so sorry :(
     

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  16. Barry

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    MS and co have been shouting down PwME and their advocates, with their bullying, coercive, mind trick ways. When now trying the same tactics on a very potent, high-integrity politician, MS completely overlooks a very simple fact: For politicians, dealing with such behaviours is all part of a day's work for them, it's part of the job spec, and part of what they do the job for. They get a buzz from dealing with people like him, and they are very good at it. Quite simply, he has started picking on the wrong people, and especially on the wrong person - Carol Monaghan. One day I'd love to see Esther Crawley in this mix.

    Edit: Realise I've been spelling Carol Monaghan's name wrong :oops:.
     
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  17. Barry

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    Ah, so the context was spot on then - but as usual MS didn't like it.
     
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