Trisha Greenhalgh on ME/CFS and Long Covid

I suspect not too long.
In truth the fat lady sang a while back. These are the people who play a jolly tune while everyone is leaving the theatre.

 

well, from the US perspective, that counts for a lot!

 

Along with that, I think it also involved his related bravery involving Gulf War Illness.

 

you mean like your husband and his gang did/do on a regular basis when supposedly researching ME?
only a matter of time before long-covid is bundled into MUS or SSD.
https://www.s4me.info/threads/edito...sorder-2021-willis-chalder.18946/#post-321732

 

This is like satire. Except it's real.

Truly boggles the mind.

 

I woke up to some drama

https://twitter.com/user/status/1358059432505208837

https://twitter.com/user/status/1358059755110072324


The messy thing is that I'm blocked by her so she won't see my messages. I don't know if anyone wants to highlight my clarification to her

 

Not sure if this is the best thread or if this has been shared before, but a clever friend just found that Trisha Greenhalgh was first opponent at Henrik Vogt's dissertation. I thought that was interesting to know.

It says so on the university's (NTNU) website.
Original link in Norwegian
google translation

ETA: This was in 2017

 

I may have said it before but this one you really could not make up.
What on earth does T Greenhalgh have to do with H Vogt in this universe? - clearly a naive question.
I actually find this hard to believe. Maybe there really are aliens.

 

I thought I was paranoid. This is a little over the edge for me. It's hard to believe, yes!

To be honest I find this development liberating. I'll throw away my conspiracy whiteboard now.

 

More from Prof Greenhalgh:
https://twitter.com/user/status/1368450750490238978

https://twitter.com/user/status/1368690230333734916

This is the link to the Guardian article she criticised: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/05/nhs-long-covid-patients-after-pandemic

And today this:
https://twitter.com/user/status/1369281709867495431

 

I guess the doctor may have been under talking conditions anonymity because the government that love helpers like Dr Greenhalgh may have made it difficult to speak freely. The 1 million figure was justified by some extrapolation that seemed perfectly reasonable although I personally think it is probably pessimistic. Dr Greenhalgh does not seems have indicated any great understanding of the 'LongCovid' label anyway so she is not really in a position to pass judgment.

 

"Show me someone with Long Flu.....err"

I thought Sly Saint's reply to this on the Long Covid thread was an excellent point.

"how quickly they forget.........
Yuppie Flu?"

 

what is the role of "first opponent" on a dissertation committee? we don't have that person on dissertation committees here. Does that person pose questions and pass judgment on whether the candidates gets the doctorate? Or...?

 

I've never attended a PhD examination, so am not really sure. Here's how the University in Oslo describes the process and the opponents role:

Public defence
The disputation is the public defence of the thesis. It lasts between two to three hours, and is led by the chair of the defence.

• The chair of the defence opens the public defence by making a brief presentation of the candidate and committee.
• After the public defence is opened you deliver a 20 minute popular scientific summary of your research.
• The first opponent is then given 75 minutes for his/her discussion, and the second opponent up to 60 minutes.
• You finish the public defence by briefly thanking the university and the committee, whereupon the chair of the defence declares the event over.

 

Quite like the fact that someone else pointed out that they have Long Epstein-Barr! I've clocked up 45 years this year, so I'd say it's long enough.

 

I have been involved in EU PhDs occasionally and I think the 'opponents' act much like examiners in the UK. The presentation of the work can be more formal and public in mainland Europe. So an opponent would, as you say, interrogate the candidate on their methods, their interpretations etc. In the UK a doctoral examination normally consists of the candidate, to 'examiners (opponents) and the candidate's main supervisor, to ensure fair play (in theory). The examiners would then confer and make a decision.

 

That sounds a bit odd but I presume that 'discussion' means questioning the candidate as in the UK. In the UK examiners take things in turns but there is no formal pattern for this. Questioning may shift backend forth for different sections of the thesis.

I have never been involved in a public defence. What I am unclear about is whether in practice a public defence only occurs for a thesis that has been approved in advance - a sort of formal ceremony rather than an exam.

 

I think you are correct. My impression is also that they tend to have some mercy for the probably very nervous candidate. Would you agree?

 

In my experience candidates nearly always get off lightly. A large number of poor quality theses get through. I personally think it would be much better if these were peer -reviewed on an iterative basis like papers. In some countries - I think the Netherlands especially - a thesis is expected to be a collection of a few published papers so that process has already been completed. I have always been impressed by the Dutch system.