The biology of coronavirus COVID-19 - including research and treatments

Just heard a UK government guy (didn't catch his name) essentially seeming to say that the government's policy was to move from Covid being pandemic to endemic. Did I get that wrong, or was it as depressing as I thought?

No consideration of suppression. I don't feel safe even double-vaccinated, with prevalence as high as it is. I've been shielding since the pandemic started and don't see an end to it. If Covid becomes endemic, what would that mean for prevalence, eventually? Will it ever be safe for the clinically vulnerable to go back into society?
 
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Patient advocate Vlad appeals to dr. John Campbell to talk about Long Covid and ME. Starts at 9.40

well worth a watch; this Dr Campbell has a lot of followers and seems to talk a lot of sense.
Judging by the comments though( a lot of people mentioning ivermectin) they haven't seen this


(tweet retweeting this posted on ROB 2 thread)
 
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Vaccination with BNT162b2 reduces transmission of SARS-CoV-2 to household contacts in Israel
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v1

Abstract
The individual-level effectiveness of vaccines against clinical disease caused by SARS-CoV-2 is well-established. However, few studies have directly examined the effect of COVID-19 vaccines on transmission. We quantified the effectiveness of vaccination with BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA-based vaccine) against household transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in Israel. We fit two time-to-event models – a mechanistic transmission model and a regression model – to estimate vaccine effectiveness against susceptibility to infection and infectiousness given infection in household settings. Vaccine effectiveness against susceptibility to infection was 80-88%. For breakthrough infections among vaccinated individuals, the vaccine effectiveness against infectiousness was 41-79%. The overall vaccine effectiveness against transmission was 88.5%. Vaccination provides substantial protection against susceptibility to infection and slightly lower protection against infectiousness given infection, thereby reducing transmission of SARS-CoV-2 to household contacts.

This is pre-delta, but I don't think delta would be much different.
 
Vaccination with BNT162b2 reduces transmission of SARS-CoV-2 to household contacts in Israel
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v1



This is pre-delta, but I don't think delta would be much different.

If the Indian variant has a reproductive rate of 6, in unvaccinated people, and the vaccine isn't 100% effective at preventing transmission, then it looks like vaccination alone isn't going to eliminate the virus in the UK.
See some countries are vaccinating people aged 12+, that might help to get reproductive rate down.
 
Vaccination with BNT162b2 reduces transmission of SARS-CoV-2 to household contacts in Israel
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v1

This is pre-delta, but I don't think delta would be much different.
So my lay interpretation of that is that I am at significantly lower risk of catching it from people who've had double dose pfizer, a) because they're 80% less likely to have it, & b) because they're ????% less likely to infect me.

So is it possible from those figures (the 41-79% ones) to say approximately how likely i am to catch it from someone i am indoors with in my home (all other things being equal inc good hygeine/ventilation etc)

For example my carer is with me on some days for 5hours, indoors all the time, coming close to me some of that time (hair washing etc), she is double jabbed with pfizer. I'd love her not to have to wear a mask anymore (i provide N95 masks for her)... what would your interpretation of the likelyhood of my catching it from her if she werent wearing a mask be, based on this study @Snow Leopard ?
 
So is it possible from those figures (the 41-79% ones) to say approximately how likely i am to catch it from someone i am indoors with in my home (all other things being equal inc good hygeine/ventilation etc)

For example my carer is with me on some days for 5hours, indoors all the time, coming close to me some of that time (hair washing etc), she is double jabbed with pfizer. I'd love her not to have to wear a mask anymore (i provide N95 masks for her)... what would your interpretation of the likelyhood of my catching it from her if she werent wearing a mask be, based on this study @Snow Leopard ?

If your carer is in the house for 5 hours, it is highly likely you would be infected if they started experiencing symptomatic infection. Given the similarity in protection against symptomatic infection compared to transmission, it is clear symptomatic infection mediates most of the effect. We know from prior studies that true asymptomatic infections (not merely presymptomatic) are far less likely to infect others (10% of the risk compared to symptomatic infections) and those infections are typically associated with touching/kissing, sharing food etc.

An N95 mask isn't going to provide any protection for you at all. N95 masks protect the wearer, which is why they aren't recommended for the general population since the main effect of mask wearing is protecting others from infected mask wearers.
 

Only population based contact tracing studies (where close contacts are tested) can provide answers - and they show true asymptomatic spread is rare:

"Household transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and risk factors for susceptibility and infectivity in Wuhan: a retrospective observational study"
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S1473-3099(20)30981-6/fulltext

There were only 27 secondary cases transmitted from asymptomatic people, out of a total of 8447 secondary cases and 24985 primary cases.

But of course the above study covered the ancestral strain, rather than the current delta variant.
 
Thanks @Snow Leopard. :) I'm too foggy to read, at this time, my link or yours well and to ask the right questions of them. Will check both of them out more later. Just sharing the link incase there is anything there that is good and is helpful (what I pursued looked interesting).
 
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If your carer is in the house for 5 hours, it is highly likely you would be infected if they started experiencing symptomatic infection. Given the similarity in protection against symptomatic infection compared to transmission, it is clear symptomatic infection mediates most of the effect. We know from prior studies that true asymptomatic infections (not merely presymptomatic) are far less likely to infect others (10% of the risk compared to symptomatic infections) and those infections are typically associated with touching/kissing, sharing food etc.

An N95 mask isn't going to provide any protection for you at all. N95 masks protect the wearer, which is why they aren't recommended for the general population since the main effect of mask wearing is protecting others from infected mask wearers.
Thanks very much for that @Snow Leopard
She wouldn't be here if she was symptomatic so it's only really asymptomatic/presymptomatic that is a concern. She does touch me - helping me in the bath & preparing food for me, but is always scrupulous about hand washing first, so it sounds like the main concern would be a presymptomatic situation.

I'm astonished to hear you say that N95 will only protect the wearer. I was under the impression that the reason they're not recommended for the general population was an issue of supply & expense, as much as anything else. But whatever the reason they're not generally recommended to everyone, it seems very odd that they would "provide no protection for me at all"... ? That seems very odd. Are you saying the filter doesnt work both ways? (I'm talking about non-vented N95 masks - perhaps you mean the ones with a valve which lets the wearer's breath out.)

This study seems to say that an N95 is protective for others?
Efficacy of masks and face coverings in controlling outward aerosol particle emission from expiratory activities | Scientific Reports (nature.com)

From the abstract
Both surgical masks and unvented KN95 respirators, even without fit-testing, reduce the outward particle emission rates by 90% and 74% on average during speaking and coughing, respectively, compared to wearing no mask, corroborating their effectiveness at reducing outward emission.
from the detail
Wearing surgical masks and KN95 respirators while talking significantly decreased the outward emission by an order of magnitude

I was surprised to see that a surgical masks protects others to the same or even better degree than the N95 though, but i suppose that would depend on the fit.

A bit weird that t-shirt masks appeared to increase emissions!
 
That seems very odd. Are you saying the filter doesnt work both ways? (I'm talking about non-vented N95 masks - perhaps you mean the ones with a valve which lets the wearer's breath out.)

Yes, I was mostly referring to the ones with the valve. The ones without valves don't seal as well and so they leak around the edges due to the pressure when exhaling. (the purpose of the one-way valves on N95 masks is to prevent leakage for the wearer). They aren't fool proof either, though they are still better than the typical cloth/surgeon masks that people wear (that don't seal up well).
 
Yes, I was mostly referring to the ones with the valve. The ones without valves don't seal as well and so they leak around the edges due to the pressure when exhaling. (the purpose of the one-way valves on N95 masks is to prevent leakage for the wearer). They aren't fool proof either, though they are still better than the typical cloth/surgeon masks that people wear (that don't seal up well).
Ah i see. Thanks for that @Snow Leopard
 
Or this by @sTeamTraen which also suggests a few...er, problems with the big Ivermectin study.
Huge study supporting ivermectin as Covid treatment withdrawn over ethical concerns
A medical student in London, Jack Lawrence, was among the first to identify serious concerns about the paper, leading to the retraction. He first became aware of the Elgazzar preprint when it was assigned to him by one of his lecturers for an assignment that formed part of his master’s degree. He found the introduction section of the paper appeared to have been almost entirely plagiarised.

It appeared that the authors had run entire paragraphs from press releases and websites about ivermectin and Covid-19 through a thesaurus to change key words. “Humorously, this led to them changing ‘severe acute respiratory syndrome’ to ‘extreme intense respiratory syndrome’ on one occasion,” Lawrence said.

The data also looked suspicious to Lawrence, with the raw data apparently contradicting the study protocol on several occasions.

“The authors claimed to have done the study only on 18-80 year olds, but at least three patients in the dataset were under 18,” Lawrence said.

“The authors claimed they conducted the study between the 8th of June and 20th of September 2020, however most of the patients who died were admitted into hospital and died before the 8th of June according to the raw data. The data was also terribly formatted, and includes one patient who left hospital on the non-existent date of 31/06/2020.”

There were other concerns.

“In their paper, the authors claim that four out of 100 patients died in their standard treatment group for mild and moderate Covid-19,” Lawrence said. “According to the original data, the number was 0, the same as the ivermectin treatment group. In their ivermectin treatment group for severe Covid-19, the authors claim two patients died, but the number in their raw data is four.”


Lawrence and the Guardian sent Elgazzar a comprehensive list of questions about the data, but did not receive a reply. The university’s press office also did not respond.

Lawrence contacted an Australian chronic disease epidemiologist from the University of Wollongong, Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz, and a data analyst affiliated with Linnaeus University in Sweden who reviews scientific papers for errors, Nick Brown, for help analysing the data and study results more thoroughly.

Brown created a comprehensive document uncovering numerous data errors, discrepancies and concerns, which he provided to the Guardian. According to his findings the authors had clearly repeated data between patients.

“The main error is that at least 79 of the patient records are obvious clones of other records,” Brown told the Guardian. “It’s certainly the hardest to explain away as innocent error, especially since the clones aren’t even pure copies. There are signs that they have tried to change one or two fields to make them look more natural.”

Other studies on ivermectin are still under way. In the UK, the University of Oxford is testing whether giving people with Covid-19 ivermectin prevents them ending up in hospital.

The Elgazzar study was one of the the largest and most promising showing the drug may help Covid patients, and has often been cited by proponents of the drug as evidence of its effectiveness. This is despite a peer-reviewed paper published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases in June finding ivermectin is “not a viable option to treat COVID-19 patients”.
https://www.theguardian.com/science...vid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns
 
I was alarmed to see a report that said we are approaching herd immunity, then it turned out it was from an economic think tank.

It is frightening the way people are pushing for things to get back to normal when what they are pushing is taking us further away all the time.
 
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