Sly Saint
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Invisible Woman
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Simon said
No Simon. The advice you so cheerfully dispense is always personal to someone. Especially, when that advice affects not only the medical treatments chronically ill and very disabled patients receive, but also affects how the same patients are viewed by the benefits agency and social services.
The fact that you see a difference because this time the advice is personal to you speaks volumes.
No Simon. The advice you so cheerfully dispense is always personal to someone. Especially, when that advice affects not only the medical treatments chronically ill and very disabled patients receive, but also affects how the same patients are viewed by the benefits agency and social services.
The fact that you see a difference because this time the advice is personal to you speaks volumes.
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I thought scientists where supposed to develop a hypothesis, and test it using the scientific method and if it failed drop it and change their assumptions.
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I have been expecting Wessely to pop up over the Coronavirus and both him and his wife are all over the media.
I fully expect him to be wheeled out if there are ongoing illnesses that people do not recover from due to COVID-19.
He will take every opportunity to make statements not backed by facts in his usual way pushing sound bites about how the mind and body are connected and how CBT and exercise is the treatment of choice claiming we have seen the after effects of viruses before and how fatigue is not connected to the original illness.
No doubt he will end up on This Morning at some point while Holly and Phil ooah and ahh all over his wisdom.
But then he will have to be really careful how he plays it as so many more people may end up shining a spotlight on his claims and look into the PACE trial if there are ongoing illnesses after Coronavirus infection.
He will be forced to push a "died or recovered fully" narrative for any of the infected which will give him more opportunity to spout his nonsense if he can claim his wife had it for a week got a bit tired then recovered fully immediately.
I fully expect him to be wheeled out if there are ongoing illnesses that people do not recover from due to COVID-19.
He will take every opportunity to make statements not backed by facts in his usual way pushing sound bites about how the mind and body are connected and how CBT and exercise is the treatment of choice claiming we have seen the after effects of viruses before and how fatigue is not connected to the original illness.
No doubt he will end up on This Morning at some point while Holly and Phil ooah and ahh all over his wisdom.
But then he will have to be really careful how he plays it as so many more people may end up shining a spotlight on his claims and look into the PACE trial if there are ongoing illnesses after Coronavirus infection.
He will be forced to push a "died or recovered fully" narrative for any of the infected which will give him more opportunity to spout his nonsense if he can claim his wife had it for a week got a bit tired then recovered fully immediately.
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Invisible Woman
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rvallee
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If only "survey fatigue" was a thing.
Makes me think of the Dean in Community. At every occasion he wants to find a perfect costume to make his point. Here instead it's with questionnaires. To every problem there's a questionnaire, one questionnaire, the same one, in a loop, forever and ever. No need to mark answers, they don't even matter, only the questionnaire does. The questionnaire demands it. Feed it. Feed it whole lives. And I you don't like it, well there's a questionnaire for that, too.
Makes me think of the Dean in Community. At every occasion he wants to find a perfect costume to make his point. Here instead it's with questionnaires. To every problem there's a questionnaire, one questionnaire, the same one, in a loop, forever and ever. No need to mark answers, they don't even matter, only the questionnaire does. The questionnaire demands it. Feed it. Feed it whole lives. And I you don't like it, well there's a questionnaire for that, too.
TiredSam
Committee Member
I misunderstood this - it's not Evan Davis interviewing Simon Wesseley, it's Simon Wesseley interviewing Evan Davis. It may well end up being much the same thing. I wouldn't have thought a live conversation would be the best place to tackle Wesseley - he'll be in his element with bonhomie, humorous self-deprecating asides to distract from the detail etc etc.
Esther12
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Interview with Wessely:
This interview — in abridged form — was broadcast on DW's weekly science podcast, Spectrum, on March 24, 2020.
https://www.dw.com/en/psychiatrist-...ainable-over-a-long-period-of-time/a-52937404
Interview with Wessely:
This interview — in abridged form — was broadcast on DW's weekly science podcast, Spectrum, on March 24, 2020.
https://www.dw.com/en/psychiatrist-...ainable-over-a-long-period-of-time/a-52937404
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Saz94
Senior Member (Voting Rights)
Oh for fucks sake
Any nation that can secure its borders should be able to eliminate the virus within its borders in no more than 6 weeks, if done properly.
Which would make concerns about sustainability of lock downs irrelevant. (Though the borders will have to remain very tightly controlled, and strong monitoring regimes in place, until a vaccine or good treatment is available, preferably both, and that could be a long time, maybe years.)
I would have thought the most sensible advice the psychs (behaviourists) could give is to get it right with the first lock down. Having to repeat lock downs because you didn't get it right the first (second, third, etc) time is where the real psycho-social and economic-political damage will come from.
We can't avoid some damage from a single but effective lock down. We can avoid far worse damage from repeat unsuccessful lock downs. Nothing will create widespread distrust of medical and political authorities more than repeat failures.
Which would make concerns about sustainability of lock downs irrelevant. (Though the borders will have to remain very tightly controlled, and strong monitoring regimes in place, until a vaccine or good treatment is available, preferably both, and that could be a long time, maybe years.)
I would have thought the most sensible advice the psychs (behaviourists) could give is to get it right with the first lock down. Having to repeat lock downs because you didn't get it right the first (second, third, etc) time is where the real psycho-social and economic-political damage will come from.
We can't avoid some damage from a single but effective lock down. We can avoid far worse damage from repeat unsuccessful lock downs. Nothing will create widespread distrust of medical and political authorities more than repeat failures.
Cheshire
Senior Member (Voting Rights)
Difficulty to deal with frustration Simon?
When it concerns Simon, it is normal behaviour, when it doesn't, it's hysteria.
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Sly Saint
Senior Member (Voting Rights)
so what stopped him? he had an infected person there in the house; easy to say it after his wife had a mildish dose; don't think he would be so blase if she'd ended up in intensive care on a ventilator.
