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Rethinking the treatment of CFS — a reanalysis and evaluation of findings from a recent major trial of GET and CBT (2018) Wilshire et al.

Discussion in 'PsychoSocial ME/CFS News' started by Tom Kindlon, Mar 22, 2018.

  1. Sean

    Sean Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    "The reanalysis is misleading and designed to yield the desired result."

    You, sir, are a contemptible hypocrite, scoundrel, and coward.
     
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    It must be difficult to watch as your carefully constructed web of lies is slowly unravelled and, with this, watch the collapse of your whole empire.
     
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    strategist Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Their PR strategy seems to be stubbornly insisting that their position is the correct one while avoiding real debate.
     
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    This is my strategy of choice too whenever I find myself in a position where I don't have any facts or credible arguments to support my case.
     
  6. Luther Blissett

    Luther Blissett Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It's always projection with this lot. If you analyse their statements with this in mind, it says quite a lot.
     
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    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Joar Halvorsen is a psychologist in Norway. I haven't really noticed his name in the ME debate, but he seems to be interested in CBT and whether or not the science behind actually is valid.

    His twitter profile
    Cand.psychol., Ph.D. | Clinician & postdoctoral researcher | Keen interest in clinical trial methodology, traumatic stress & human rights | Personal opinions

     
  8. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Really interesting that a professional who to date has not shown involvement in the PACE issues, has now decided to take an interest and stand up for good science. This speaks volumes for this great new reanalysis paper!

    Edit: Just noticed his profile includes clinical trial methodology and human rights!
     
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    Tom Kindlon Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    He seems quite brave to me - the second mate, a lone figure, standing on the upended poop deck while bubbles gurgle up beside him, with a spyglass to his blind eye, proclaiming:

    'I see no icebergs!'
     
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    large donner Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    He is a member of the British establishment, they are used to having the media in their pockets, briefing them and having their claims printed as gospel. Simple.
     
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    I still wouldn't underestimate their ability to whitewash the whole issue, its obvious now this was directed by people at the top to deliver a desired outcome to shape social and financial policy. An awful lot of heads would have to roll for the truth to come out.

    To be honest there are issues much bigger than ME in the last 50 years that are so obviously not how the establishment have presented them, but the game they play now is, "we dont care if the whole world knows, we just wont address it and we will push a hate narrative meme against those who speak out".
     
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    And as we know, Michael Sharpe is an expert on designing analyses to yield desired results.
     
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    large donner Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Could someone retweet him with:

    Who designed the protocol used in the reanalysis?
     
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    Correct.

    How long did it take for the truth about the Hillsborough stadium disaster to be allowed to be told? Nearly 30 years, and that was a fairly straightforward issue compared to ME.
     
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    I really hope we're able to move things forward without just waiting for those responsible to retire. That I've been so surprised by the intransigence shows how naive I was about UK science.
     
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    Some of the press that featured the PACE reanalysis story:

    And the latest:

     
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