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Discussion in 'Advocacy Projects and Campaigns' started by Sly Saint, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. MEMarge

    MEMarge Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    There is a course in Bath on Fri 7 Dec. "Navigating the minefield: MUS and FII".
    Program as bad as you would think. Accessible by link:

    http://www.bacch.org.uk/about/SouthWest.htm

    Consultant paed for CFS service, Bath seems to now be Dr Melanie Parker.
     
  2. andypants

    andypants Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    :grumpy::sick::yuck:
     
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    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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  4. MEMarge

    MEMarge Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Thanks for archiving it @Esther12.

    Does anyone know any teachers/health professionals who would be interested in attending?
     
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  5. MEMarge

    MEMarge Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    @Esther12 Please could you also archive the UCLH course program #17 on this thread, or provide simple directions for the process!

    UCL is very much under the influence. They are regularly using the if you don't do a, b or c then we will send in the socail workers.
    One example: getting your teen to spend less time on their phone!
     
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  6. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    You mean just this?: https://web.archive.org/web/2018091...tre.org/uploads/CFS_course_timetable_2018.pdf

    Any pages you want to archive, just enter them in the 'save page now' box in the bottom right: https://archive.org/web/
     
  7. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    ME/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Awareness Course

    Price £49 inc VAT
    Study method Online, self-paced
    Duration 150 Hours
    Qualification 150 CPD points / hours


    "Overview
    The comprehensive, and potentially life-changing, ME/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Awareness Diploma Course has been designed for the sufferers and carers of those with these conditions. Although designed with self-help in mind you do not need to be diagnosed with the syndrome to benefit from studying this course.

    Our adrenal glands are small glands that sit atop our kidneys and deal with every stressor that enters our lives. Stressors include physical, mental and emotional events or long term coping, as opposed to being happy and regularly resting.

    We live in a world of stressors and many people go into a state of burnout at some point. If the stress that the individual must deal with on a long-term basis outweighs their chance and ability to rest; ME or CFS may very well be the result. This course aims to help with the understanding of these conditions."

    it gets worse....
    full details here
    https://www.reed.co.uk/courses/me-c...reness-course/81525?extlinksource=job-details

     
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  8. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    So it's 150 hours learning that ME/CFS is the same as burnout. No thanks.
    ''This course is registered with the CMA (Complementary Medical Association)''
    Mentions NLP and nutrition. Sounds like another version of LP, Gupta, OHC etc.
    3 students have purchased it.

    I notice on the same web page advertising this course, they list as 'similar' courses on on Canine Holistic Health and Therapy and one on Feline Behaviour and Psychology. You couldn't make it up!
     
  9. fossil

    fossil Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Howard Schubiner, who is a founder of this organization, thinks CFS is a PPD.

    'Our course teaches successful management of symptoms linked to psychosocial stress (Psychophysiologic Disorders or PPD)."

    https://ppdassociation.org/online-course

    https://ppdassociation.org/treatment-outline

    "C. Help client reduce fear of symptoms

    1. Educate client on the way in which fear can perpetuate pain cycle.

    2. Encouraging client to gradually engage in activities he has avoided due to fear of pain or other symptoms.

    3. Encourage client to engage in activities that often bring about pain or other symptoms, teaching him to use visualization/positive self talk during and/or before activity to promote symptom-free state."

    Mentions CFS here;

    https://www.ppdassociation.org/patient/
     
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    fossil Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    SIRPA (Stress Illness Recovery Practitioners’ Association)

    This course is based on the theories of John Sarno/Howard Schubiner. That "emotional trauma causes your chronic pain" crap. (As mentioned in my above post.)

    It's run by a UK physiotherapist, and says it is for health professionals.

    https://sirpa-training-school.thinkific.com/courses/level-1-sirpa-introductory-course

    The usual testimonial from a CFS patient;

    https://www.sirpa.org/project/john-doe/

    There's an - expensive - online course targeted at patients with chronic pain too;

    https://sirpa-training-school.thinkific.com/courses/sirpa-online-recovery-programme
     
  11. Snow Leopard

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    The young man pictured is of course a stock photo. The testimonial doesn't sound quite like anything anyone I know (or on ME forums) would write, it seems edited to sound more favourable at the very least).
    Mentions this study from 1995 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8542261 (Costa et al.)
    And the pseudoscientific diagnosis "Tension myositis syndrome" and "TMS personality traits". The patient still reports chronic pain and doesn't mention any specific indicators of recovery, eg that they are currently working.
     
  12. ladycatlover

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    Really great typo in this!

    (my bolding)

    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
     
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    from the above link/testimonial..
    really? whats the evidence for that I wonder?

    That was said with part sarcasm & part genuinely wanting to know if there were any evidence showing that.
     
  14. Sly Saint

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    A Biopsychosocial framework for clinical practice- 14- 15 March 2020
    by University College of Osteopathy
    https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-bi...practice-14-15-march-2020-tickets-54641040824
     
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    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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  16. Webdog

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    Came across this CME and recent Seattle medical conference presentation by Dr. Peng Thim Fam for the medical education company Pri-Med. I don't have an account, so I wasn't able to see the actual CME, but I read through the slideshow and FAQ.

    Pri-Med conference presentation on CFS, June 21, 2019 in Seattle (including slides)
    https://www.pri-med.com/medical-conferences/regional-conference-seattle/agenda/sessions/qmonya0eg8uk

    Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Continuing Medical Education (CME)
    https://www.pri-med.com/online-education/webcast/south-2019-chronic-fatigue

    FAQ for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

    https://www.pri-med.com/online-education/podcast/pri-med-podcasts-fatigue

    Among some of the issues:
    • presents CFS as a subset of "chronic fatigue" patients (similar to UpToDate)
    • reassure patients that CFS is benign and no harm is happening to their bodies
    • recommends stimulants modafinil, caffeine, etc.
    • deconditioning model/patients need to break the cycle of inactivity
    • describes fibromyalgia as mostly CFS + widespread pain/tenderness
    • recommends GET and CBT
    • recommends sustained aerobic exercise
    • tells doctors to stop further diagnostic testing after diagnosis
     
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  17. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    This treatment modality says much more about Dr Fam and nothing at all about ME also known as cfs.

    It goes beyond patronising the patient to IMO a level of dislike for the people he wants so much to 'help' (by bullying them).
     
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  18. Snow Leopard

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    PEM is not DOMS, it's frustrating when doctors don't listen to patients and then insist on their own (wrong) ideas.
     
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    hellytheelephant Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Just to be clear- I am LIKING the person who posted this, not any of these garbage courses.
     
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  20. fossil

    fossil Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    What's worrying on this page is the testimonials from pain societies. (My bolding.)

    https://www.sirpaconference.com

    An article about the treatment experiences of Dr Martin Johnson from the British Pain Society;

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...l-root-required-different-kind-treatment.html
     
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