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Persistent fatigue induced by interferon-alpha: A novel, inflammation-based, proxy model of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, 2018, Pariante et al

Discussion in 'ME/CFS research' started by MeSci, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. TiredSam

    TiredSam Committee Member

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    Surely we've got enough models from the top of these stories for an ME Girls Calendar 2019 now? One symptom of ME which seems to have been overlooked so far is that it makes models collapse back into bed after their exhausting morning beauty routine, raising their hands to their fully made-up heads in despair. Just a selection from the latest round ...


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    If we're not going to have a calendar, we really should at least have a christmas caption competition.
     

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  2. Sean

    Sean Moderator Staff Member

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    Magically provided to us by those wonderful psychs.

    Their lack of basic decency, integrity, and humility is nauseating. :grumpy:
     
  3. Sean

    Sean Moderator Staff Member

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    Exactly. If you retweet it, you own it.
     
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  4. Sean

    Sean Moderator Staff Member

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    Don't underestimate the corrupting power of fame. It both gratifies egos mightily on its own, and can also lead onto power and wealth.
     
  5. dave30th

    dave30th Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    No what's that about?
     
  6. TiredSam

    TiredSam Committee Member

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    I haven't seen it myself, but I would imagine it involves a pack of animals viciously slinging shit about.
     
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  7. NelliePledge

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06mvpsw Possibly not accessible outside UK it was only shown here in November. It’s about a group of chimps in Senegal and there’s a power struggle
     
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  8. dave30th

    dave30th Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    sounds comparable.
     
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  9. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I hadn't really understood why Edwards was referencing the Bilko episode where they're trying to beat records for inducting new recruits... but surely that's the only chimpanzee episode that really matters?:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bpZBHoLUgw


     
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  10. JaimeS

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    Yes, thank you; you're right.
     
  11. adambeyoncelowe

    adambeyoncelowe Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yes, it is. Note how most just reword the Reuters press release.
     
  12. obeat

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    If Morton gets funding, can we get a preliminary statement into the media via the few journalists who think?
     
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  13. Andy

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    http://www.virology.ws/2018/12/19/trial-by-error-the-new-interferon-cfs-study/
     
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    Shame about the comment which appears to be in double-Dutch. With apologies to all our friends who speak single Dutch.
     
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  16. fivetowns

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    I've just read the interview with Nick Brown that was included in the article. It seems like "the data thugs" might be able to help us debunk some of the BPS work. Are they aware of the political reasons this piece of research is being hyped beyond all recognition? I am certainly interested in using the mathematical tools they developed to look for mistakes in papers. Particularly this one:

    Edit: Because I pressed post accidentally before finishing writing!
     
  17. NelliePledge

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    On EG comment - The CFS ME clinics actually talk to patients about the biopsychosocial model as their explanation of what ‘CFS’ is so it’s hardly surprising that we ‘non expert’ patients associate it so closely with the NHS approach to us is it.......
     
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  18. Sly Saint

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    Indeed; I do like my 'breakfast with David Tuller' moments.
     
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  19. Lucibee

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    I've had a look through the Jenkins book on PVFS and found a whole chapter on Interferon, which the authors of the recent study seem to have overlooked.

    Here is a snippet:

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  20. ScottTriGuy

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    That comment by EG makes little sense. She's an annoying distraction and is embarrassing herself.

    Any way, I did leave my own comment...


    The global media coverage of this research is not about the research.

    It is about a group of people who have built their careers, reputations and bank accounts on their particular spin of the BPS model and their particular 'treatment', and are positioning themselves for further gains.

    It is about orchestrating unfounded media coverage - again - to control the global ME narrative and to preserve their power in the light of overwhelming biological evidence - and at the expense of many millions of people living with ME world wide.

    It is about the continued monetization of their egos - and of institutionalized medical harm.

     
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