rvallee
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Paul Garner on Long Covid and ME/CFS - BMJ articles and other media.
Mij
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Mij
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Don't forget to mention badges and logos links to create your own 'badge of honour" to wear on Chronically Recovered Day, July 13th.
Like I said, this thread is usually good for a laugh.
Paul, most people with persistent symptoms after an infection do recover in the first couple of years. That doesn't make them special or possessors of some superior knowledge. It certainly doesn't warrant the earning of a badge, not even an embarrassingly bad badge reminiscent of frog spawn or Bubble Guppies.
What next? A day for people who recover from Covid-19 without any persistent symptoms at all to wear a badge to celebrate their moral superiority over people who develop Long Covid, no matter for how short a time?
Or perhaps Garner's followers would like to display their wide ranging moral fortitude by earning more badges?
gay hook-up apps tend to have a "woof" function--like if you "woof" someone, that means you think they're a hottie. hopefully that is not what Garner means by it.
Take 3, one for each illness.
And let's have three special days of the year to celebrate people like you who recovered from each of those diseases without complications. Don't worry that it might be upsetting to the people who developed shingles later as a result of their chicken pox and ended up with persistent nerve pain or losing their sight. Or the people who became deaf after mumps or the pregnant mother who got measles and miscarried. Clearly these people are not made of the same special recovery stuff as you are.
And, in any case, they have had the benefit of all those secondary gains of people fussing over them, and they cost the health system plenty. So, have those special days and wear your badges with pride - you deserve to be celebrated.
it seems a strange day to choose. 13 is still thought unlucky by many. I had a look up and found this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ne...9564716/July-13th-declared-unsafest-date.html
UK parliament breaks for summer late July, so it's not quite in the silly season (no other news) but maybe an attempt to be able to make noise before said silly season?
And for those who for example might have 'only' had something that debilitated their life for xyears and then they recovered well, certainly if you take some time to think about what that would mean at different age brackets, then anything much longer than 18months and it probably had quite a significant impact not in a 'hero' sense but in a pretty torrid time to have gone through.
Like I said, this thread is usually good for a laugh.
Paul, most people with persistent symptoms after an infection do recover in the first couple of years. That doesn't make them special or possessors of some superior knowledge. It certainly doesn't warrant the earning of a badge, not even an embarrassingly bad badge reminiscent of frog spawn or Bubble Guppies.
What next? A day for people who recover from Covid-19 without any persistent symptoms at all to wear a badge to celebrate their moral superiority over people who develop Long Covid, no matter for how short a time?
Or perhaps Garner's followers would like to display their wide ranging moral fortitude by earning more badges?
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I know some who think they are 'recovered' (but does changing your life completely so you can't follow any of the same opportunities you should have been able to or eg just pick up a full time job like others in your peer group could count as that?) and certainly go through stages of not wanting to revisit that time simply because ill health is made so hard, pretty much deliberately by this sort of ideology making sure it becomes a 'pile-on' and 'war of attrition' opportunistic stiaution actively seemingly trying to bury those who are ill from surviving as best they could rather than the opposite (lobbying against it being understood, lobbying to undermine adjustments, lbbying so others suggest more work that these people 'deserve to be expected to show they are doing' over those who aren't ill). Finding everyone just plays the 'delay' and ignore card even on listening to a word you say on something that needs quick action otherwise will bury you.
It is often a sad situation where you see a pretty dark side of other people's human nature or the system that you can't unsee etc. particularly people like this who get away with interfering with you just getting survival stuff done and undermining it whilst pretending 'they are help' and you just spend your time trying to educate them until you realise they are just not quite right or really wanting to help at all.
I don't see or believe that this really seems to be about acknowledgement of what any of those who have had something for proper lengths of time - yep 6months might feel bad, but it doesn't at all have the same life trajectory impacts or all the work that comes with it or bigotry sewn by all this starting to kick in 'cos this illness has been going on too long and now we are bored' - have gone through at all.
It seems to just be a way of patronising them too rather than giving them ownership of their own truth? and sticking somethign different on it, almost nicking their own 'badge' for having ridden out hell and come out the other side and replacing it with some nonsense as if 'they must have done a woo course, well done woo-seller' ?
MrMagoo
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I don’t think that’s it unfortunately.
There was probably other Paul Garners because it’s a common name and he just needed to put something in.
Anyway I saw a nice badge, available from all good Chinese internet sellers
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it is behavioural psychology (which as a proper subject isn't 'mental health treatment' but looking at how sadly certain things are used to manipulate and can be for the good or bad and harmful impacts etc) and basically bullying - now we are decades past those old days where they can claim it was 'the first time we have done it institutionally, and maybe it might work' and now know that all these things as treatments don't work, so can't employ the wilful ignorance excuse to pretend handing 'supporters/bullies' a badge as a tool to button-press and rub in what those who are ill can't do and will harm them is pretty horrific. But also plain propaganda of basically disability bigotry at a level that I can't think how retro it is - pre-equality acts say early 2000s
Like I said, this thread is usually good for a laugh.
Paul, most people with persistent symptoms after an infection do recover in the first couple of years. That doesn't make them special or possessors of some superior knowledge. It certainly doesn't warrant the earning of a badge, not even an embarrassingly bad badge reminiscent of frog spawn or Bubble Guppies.
What next? A day for people who recover from Covid-19 without any persistent symptoms at all to wear a badge to celebrate their moral superiority over people who develop Long Covid, no matter for how short a time?
Or perhaps Garner's followers would like to display their wide ranging moral fortitude by earning more badges?
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it is basically suggesting that ill people are thickos when they have more on their plate than not ill people have so are quite the opposite, and dealing with more complexity because of that than not ill people which needs to be the message most need to be reminded of.
Instead this is a clear attempt to spread rumours of the idea someone disabled is:
too thick to eat a vegetable without encouragement?
not 'behaving themselves' - they literally are suggesting 'people drink more than one glass of wine' with this? so it is not even veiled slander isn't it, given most of those they are inferring 'need this' don't drink and they are suggesting those who aren't ill and probably themselves actually are the drinkers should now assume the truth is the opposite?
should be going to the gym and laziness is at the root of 'one of their problems'.
So yes, it is behavioural psychology in the sense that I think the target audience is not the ill or recovered but those surrounding them/the general public, as usual for this lot/ - and a standard tactic
that sort of appraoch/tactic of focusing on selling to those who aren't the object who will be on the consequences end of it, but silencing their voice to sell to those who can enforce it on them that 'there is something wrong with them and it's this that we tackle' is talked about well in episode 2 of eg 'The Program' on Netflix to focus on brainwashing those surrounding those who are targeted with useless therapy (so they don't notice or won't listen that 'the therpay' isn't therapy, help or doesn't work, but mainly the only message is 'these people need/deserve this)
MrMagoo
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It’s the day after the 12th as well (this isn’t relevant unless you’re in parts of the UK where there are sectarian tensions, which Paul is)
It’s actually rather offensive to the general public to advertise “I recovered from Long Covid” whoop de do, you not only didn’t die from Covid but you also weren’t disabled by it.
Maybe Kate Garraway could interview him about it.
yes I thought that and naively wondered if it was because he was a passionate dog owner or something, so through in a woof because of that.
I'm intrigued by @Mij finding well-off old folk I guess that makes sense if it is in social media land used like DINKYs or what not to differentiate from others with the same name
I seem to remember years ago then woofing or something similar used to be a scheme in Oz for those travelling to get an extended visa if they spent x months working on a farm or something. So didn't know if there was another technical type thing to it.
I also couldn't help but notice that it is 'woo' with one letter on the end too
MrMagoo
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Well the F of woof could be many things.yes I thought that and naively wondered if it was because he was a passionate dog owner or something, so through in a woof because of that.
I'm intrigued by @Mij finding well-off old folk I guess that makes sense if it is in social media land used like DINKYs or what not to differentiate from others with the same name
I seem to remember years ago then woofing or something similar used to be a scheme in Oz for those travelling to get an extended visa if they spent x months working on a farm or something. So didn't know if there was another technical type thing to it.
I also couldn't help but notice that it is 'woo' with one letter on the end too
Well off old fogey, for example.
fan?
severe ME day is August 8th so is there any relevance to this being 3-4 weeks before?
severe ME tragically seems to have been the most unkindly targeted group (due to level of vulnerability?) by this lot, including the vile BMJ article suggesting Maeve wouldn't have died if she'd had CBT (even though she had CBT and talks about this in many articles we have seen and how it doesn't work so they knew full well)
so I'm not sure being that close is a coincidence.
trying to prime and pre-bunk (with rumour-mongering of don't listen when they say this because) so when people see pictures of some of the sickest people, instead of being open to learn more about the situation, they've been brainwashed into 'you already know all about these people, we warned you' and 'hear severe ME, think: they just need to limit it to one glass of wine, get to the gym and retrain their brains' as some automatic bigotry instinct?
I find it even more unforgivable given that so many who have ended up so horrifically ill are there explicitly because of the bps treatment+hostile environment having caused their illness to be far worse than if we'd had the last 20yrs just accepting if someone had mild ME/CFS they need adjustments and consideration rather than abuse.
ie these are the ones who are already the most injured from the same thing already, now being targeted hardest for more/worse of the same
from the same people who now cannot claim any kind of 'didn't know' or 'good intention' as the research has been looked into so it's wilful ignorance and if spreading misinformation then that is also wilful?
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Yeah, it looks as though Woof is a surname in the UK. Although the 'Woo Fan' theory has a certain appeal.
MrMagoo
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Maybe it’s a family name, it’s from the etymological root of wulf. Or maybe he thinks he’s a wolf. Or a dog. Who knew this would be the most fascinating thing about his X’s/tweets whatever they are.
Into what?
A psychodrama morality play?
We could start selling badges/hats/coffee mugs/etc that say:
I survived the psychosomatic cult.