Old Maudsley GP training video

Does anyone know when the old GP training video from Kings with Chalder/Gerada was published? Or any ideas how I could find out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goz_tTaWmfE

The earliest I could find was this from 2002

https://web.archive.org/web/20021124114432/http://www.iop.kcl.ac.uk/Main/Publications/videos.html

@Dolphin

Thanks

 

I'm not sure whether I ever saw a date. Here's a message from 2007 I found by searching the Co-Cure archive https://listserv.nodak.edu/archives/co-cure.html .

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I thought people might be interested in seeing some training videos from the CBT school of thought for treating "Chronic Fatigue" and "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" patients (they switch from using one term to the other throughout). As can be seen below, they also mention "ME". Given they don't make any distinction between the different ones, the advice would likely be seen to apply to all three groups.

I'm forwarding on the information compiled by another PWME who went to quite a lot of trouble to compile it. "I" refers to him for all the bits below my name. Any link that starts mms:// can be watched online. Alternatively, one can simply work from the page: http://webcasts.prous.com/Chronic_Fatigue/program.asp

[AOL: <a href="http://webcasts.prous.com/Chronic_Fatigue/program.asp">Here</a>]

People don't need to read the slected quotes if they watching the clips.

Note: I'm sending these out so people interested can see them and see where the CBT school of thought are really coming from (and want to go to); I wouldn't be recommending people show them to medical professionals.

Tom K.

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Background information:

http://www.iop.kcl.ac.uk/departments/?locator=367&context=789

etc.

See post here:
https://listserv.nodak.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0706C&L=CO-CURE&P=R2153

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Margaret Williams also didn't give a date in this post from 2007:
https://listserv.nodak.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0707C&L=CO-CURE&P=R3986

 

Does this help?

https://www.icgp.ie/go/library/catalogue/item/CA0B96D8-D563-4BDE-991FB99673ACEAAC/

Dated 2008.

Found this discussion from 2010. Interesting read.

https://forums.phoenixrising.me/thr...sh-gps-on-how-to-deal-with-cfs-patients.3079/


This is interesting too but is off topic. Maudsley Learning Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/@maudsleylearn

 

Thanks a lot for all the info. I will have a look round the CoCure archive aswell I've not seen that before.

 

Thanks yeah I've seen the post on PR, it's a useful read.

And I'd not seen the Irish College of GPs page interesting thanks

 

Sorry no, but fascinating to date them and see the videos from each timeframe, and me remembering back to then (when I wouldn't have known any of this was going on) to compare with my non-ME specific 'notes' of the time.

Interesting getting to the fibbles at 7min in onwards about 'if you had a virus your body would have cleared it' - which I guess the whole thing has been cued up to begin as the punchline for (before this it has all been 'extracting stuff from patient' now this is 'doctor stepping in to start debunking feel' so gave it prominence as a message by making it first up as the 'first thing to deliver in reply').

I literally just read the latest David Black article:
https://www.scottishlegal.com/artic...CsvOljv9ygW4FCHvJqQE2nkiYbkQKoFxeGpER2cJzreuM

and the following had struck me for other reasons as interesting/new for me (I think in the batch of historic articles on here there is a note about something in the classified docs where that has been extended recently for another number of decades, said it was 'due to information being from another nation/state/country' info wise so was intrigued to read other countries 'position/ideas' around that time just in case maybe it might give context to what was happenning in each country around then):

 

Thanks Bobbler I’d not seen that.

 

This suggests it's 2002 as well

Which is in line with the website link I posted above.

https://web.archive.org/web/20021124114432/http://www.iop.kcl.ac.uk/Main/Publications/videos.html

But it does feel like it might be earlier.

The website says its a collaboration between Maudsley Publications and RCGP.

I had a quick look and it apparently Maudsley Publications was set up in June 1998 so maybe between 98 and 02.

 

Of course when you combine with things like the Gerada video where they say something alone the lines of (with a straight face): 'we looked at all the evidence and exercising will do you NO harm' and facts like this

then here is the other perspective/fact/point to note:

they were also effectively gaslighting the DOCTORS through this too (or indeed FIRST), by not including a 'wink to camera' where something wasn't strictly accurate vs the message they were being told to say. Interesting period in time

 

Probably another connection in the chain of events here to the false narrative (where they pretend this is 'the englightened' by using 'Yuppie flu' as the straw man in articles) is to point out that videos like this are clearly building on the Yuppie Flu attitude of some in delivery of 'attitude training' to 'all' with more extensive insinuations.

ie they were actively furthering the stigma and embedding that, certainly not combating it in these videos

 

I had another look and found this

https://web.archive.org/web/20001006221836/http://www.iop.kcl.ac.uk:80/Main/Publivid.htm

There is nothing on the maudsley videos page from May 1999 but there is on Oct 2000.

So could be between 1999 and 2000.