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Another opinion piece on ME by Swedish BPS/"cultural illness" proponent Hanne Kjöller :grumpy: She has been talking to Landmark and Vogt, apparently.

Vad ska läkaren göra om valet står mellan att kränka eller skada patienten?
https://www.dn.se/ledare/hanne-kjol...star-mellan-att-kranka-eller-skada-patienten/
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Hanne Kjöller: What should the doctor do if the choice is between offending or harming the patient?

When a doctor questions a patient's perceived symptoms, she may feel distrusted or overlooked. But what if confirming illness only makes suffering worse?

COLUMN. Hanne Kjöller is a nurse, journalist and freelance columnist [...].

In emails, doctors with experience of cultural diseases and functional symptoms usually claim the importance of never offending the patient. But what does that mean? That you must not question the patient's own perception of their symptoms, what caused them and what this collection of symptoms should be called?

I think I dare say that there is now a fairly good consensus that the name, the diagnosis you give to label the individual's suffering, affects the course of the disease. Someone who is told that there is a good chance of recovery will, at a statistical level, have a better chance of recovery than someone who receives a diagnosis with a more hopeless course.

The symptoms are more or less the same in all the different cultural diseases of the world and of all times [...].

In Sweden, it is not uncommon for a patient seeking help to arrive with a Google printout of exhaustion disorder and a conviction that this is the disease she is suffering from. In Norway, where exhaustion disorder does not exist as a diagnosis, a patient with the same symptoms would more likely have brought a printout on chronic fatigue syndrome, ME.

Although the mythology surrounding the Swedish diagnosis of exhaustion, such as the shrinking of the brain and the importance of resting - and resting for a long time - leads to long periods of sick leave, this is nothing compared to the expectations that come with an ME diagnosis. There is, says the ME lobby, no cure. With the diagnosis, says PhD student Live Landmark when I speak to her, the patient is deprived of all hope.

Images of bedridden, nappy-clad patients who are tube-fed and never recover become so heavy for the patient to bear that some choose to end their lives.

Live Landmark, who has been diagnosed with ME, has a different story. It started with an infection and subsequent symptoms that no one could explain. She read about ME in the newspaper and after an investigation she was diagnosed. The doctor, a specialist in neurology, explained that the disease was serious and the prognosis was bleak.

Nobody recovered. Somatic care had no help to offer.

Ms Landmark turned to psychiatry. When even that failed to help, she started looking for alternative treatments and eventually found a clinic in London. There she learnt about the body's stress response and how the brain simply creates physical symptoms such as fatigue and pain. And that it is possible to get healthy.

Healthy, and with a new narrative, she travelled home to Norway where ME is spreading epidemically. Several hundred young people are now diagnosed every year and in a couple of years the use of the diagnosis of ME has increased by 500% in our western neighbour - a development not seen anywhere else in the world. She brought with her the UK course and a new, more hopeful narrative that help is available. She thought patient organisations would be delighted. It's safe to say they were not.

Doctor, researcher and journalist Henrik Vogt describes the more or less militant battles over the cultural diseases of our time in Aftenposten. The whole thing, he writes in a column, boils down to the question: "Does or does not the suffering person himself - with his experiences, burdens, actions, thoughts and social relations - in some way, consciously or unconsciously, have something to do with the causes and development of ill health?"

The patients are suffering and deserve to be understood like all other sick people. The only question is what kind of understanding, writes Henrik Vogt. Should the human body be seen as an advanced machine, where the patient is a passive actor who suffers from machine failure, which is the attitude of ME activists. Or biopsychosocial: where experiences, thought patterns, actions and social interaction are important for understanding how the immune system and the entire body are affected?

Henrik Vogt explains: "When patients say that they want to be believed, it is often not only a matter of the doctor taking the symptoms seriously, but also confirming a 'mechanical' causal relationship - which today must be said to be an unscientific approach." In the absence of such confirmation, patients may claim that they have been mistrusted or neglected. Or even offended.

This brings us back to Hippocrates and the doctors who believe that doctors must not offend patients at all. If this means not confirming the patient's view of causality, it can lead to harm instead. How can that be more ethically defensible?
 
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That's very much the same as trying to be racist without being offensive. You can't, because you're wrong. And yeah, all they achieve is doing both in the end. Genius level stuff.

And wow is there a lot of debunked nonsense in there, especially the thing about attitude influencing outcomes. It's truly amazing how they talk about beliefs as if we have them, when they clearly are the deluded ones. So many beliefs about illness, so very little reasoning or evidence.

It's truly absurd how they talk about listening to the patients. It truly is amazing what people can believe about themselves. They insult us non-stop and talk about not offending. The delusion is staggering.
 
A book review by Swedish BPS proponent David Gyll in the journal of the Swedish Medical Association.

The book being reviewed is "Komplexa syndrom. Om vanliga kontroversiella och svårbegripliga sjukdomstillstånd" by Peter Währborg.

Svårvärderad bok om svåra tillstånd
https://lakartidningen.se/aktuellt/recensioner/2023/07/svarvarderad-bok-om-svara-tillstand/
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Difficult book on difficult conditions

Complex syndromes. About common controversial and difficult-to-understand conditions.
Peter Währborg

The book "Complex syndromes. About common controversial and difficult-to-understand conditions" deals with exhaustion disorder, fibromyalgia, myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) and "whiplash" and briefly touches on electrosensitivity, multiple chemical sensitivity, amalgam disease and a few other conditions.

The target audience is broad: students, healthcare professionals, patients and administrators at the Swedish Public Employment Service and the Swedish Social Insurance Agency. They risk being disappointed, however, as the book lacks in-depth insurance medicine reasoning and only briefly touches on the role of insurance conflicts. [...]
 
A book review by Swedish BPS proponent David Gyll in the journal of the Swedish Medical Association.

The book being reviewed is "Komplexa syndrom. Om vanliga kontroversiella och svårbegripliga sjukdomstillstånd" by Peter Währborg.

Svårvärderad bok om svåra tillstånd
https://lakartidningen.se/aktuellt/recensioner/2023/07/svarvarderad-bok-om-svara-tillstand/
A rather precise summary of the BPS model in the review:

The relationship between the role of biological, psychological and social factors in people's well-being is a recurring theme. But questions about how these are related and their respective meaning are often left hanging in the air, and the author's stance is inconsistent.
 
More from Kjöller :grumpy: This time she's celebrating Fink and the Danish BDS model. Paywalled.

Hanne Kjöller: Ett kunskapscentrum för postcovid kommer inte göra patienterna friskare
https://www.dn.se/ledare/hanne-kjol...tcovid-kommer-inte-gora-patienterna-friskare/
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Hanne Kjöller: A knowledge centre for post-covid will not make patients healthier

In Sweden, the healthcare system insists on developing specialised clinics for every new condition. This makes us vulnerable to lobbying that is not about making patients healthier. [...]

The more you focus on biomedical explanations, instead of holistic ones, the sicker people become, says Per Fink. So with specialised clinics, the diagnoses will become more popular. This is one reason for the regional and national differences that arise. [...]

ME, chronic fatigue syndrome, has also made its way into politics. Late one evening, when the Danish Parliament was discussing decision after decision, an initiative from a member slipped through. It was decided that ME should not be included in the BDS diagnosis. And how have you dealt with that, I ask Per Fink:

"Well, it's like the Folketing deciding that the earth is flat. Obviously, we cannot allow ourselves to be guided by such a decision. So we accept the patients here and treat them like any other patients with functional disorders."

The National Board of Health has decided that functional disorder clinics will be involved in the treatment of post-covid patients with multi-organ symptoms. But not those with changes in smell and taste, where there is a known causal relationship. Nor those whose symptoms result from intensive care or a specific organ injury.
 
More from Kjöller :grumpy: This time she's celebrating Fink and the Danish BDS model.

Paywalled.

Hanne Kjöller: Ett kunskapscentrum för postcovid kommer inte göra patienterna friskare
https://www.dn.se/ledare/hanne-kjol...tcovid-kommer-inte-gora-patienterna-friskare/
@MittEremltage comments on this on her blog. Do click through, the whole post is worth a read (like all MittEremltage's posts).

Ideologi, inte okunskap
https://mitteremitage.wordpress.com/2023/08/03/ideologi-inte-okunskap/

Google Translate, English ("Ideology, Not Ignorance")
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Some suggest that Ms Kjöller's writing proves her ignorance. But I would rather say that her writing is deliberately provocative - politically and ideologically. For she chooses to consistently highlight a certain type of ideology and then uses it to undermine both the credibility of vulnerable patient groups and the political attempts to improve care for people with post-infectious diseases.

This is incomprehensible behaviour for someone who, according to the ethical guidelines for the profession, "demonstrates professional values of respect, fairness, sensitivity, care, compassion, empathy, trust and integrity. They [nurses, my note] support and respect the dignity and human rights of all people, including patients, families and colleagues." (From the IC Code of Ethics for Nurses).

Kjöller uses her platform and her nursing title to promote harmful treatment. Treatment that is based on an outdated and unscientific ideology. It is a shame that DN chooses to give her that space.
 
More from Kjöller :grumpy: This time she's celebrating Fink and the Danish BDS model. Paywalled.

Hanne Kjöller: Ett kunskapscentrum för postcovid kommer inte göra patienterna friskare
https://www.dn.se/ledare/hanne-kjol...tcovid-kommer-inte-gora-patienterna-friskare/
"@StenHelmfrid Per Fink is promoted by journalist @hanne_kjoller in Swedish daily DN. The Danish parliament decided that the classification of #MECFS should follow the international version of ICD. Fink dismisses the decision and implies that the ICD committee are comparable to flat earthers. :rolleyes:"
 
It is horrendous that one man can wield such dangerous power over very sick people and force them into treatment that makes them even sicker. I am so sad to read this is still happening in Denmark.
He only deserves part of the blame. We know very well how harshly healthcare systems can stamp down any practices they disapprove. They fully approve of this, it can't be otherwise. This is how they get away with such BS, and get platforms to spew lies like this. They don't even bother adhering to basic facts, have no issues lying their ass off, and this also cannot happen without approval from the system. This is not the work of one person, or even a small group. It takes an entire bureaucracy to align with those goals and, especially, to enforce them. Enforcement is everything. Even so-called "human rights" are just promises.

It's maddening seeing how this exactly reflects politics. These people apply a playbook that is very successful. A method of discourse that accuses others exactly of what they are doing, that systematically misrepresents all their critics as insane, then uses the power of the state to "prove" it. It's a tyrannical model that heavily relies on a total approach to control and information domination.

I believe that these people think they are right, intellectually, but they cannot possibly not know that how they are doing it is coercive, manipulative and unethical. They just seem to think that it's how to "deal" with us. This is a political perspective, it's been a very successful one through history. Which is of course exactly why there are supposed to be safeguards, but a system will not protect from itself when it's the source of the harm.
 
More from Kjöller :grumpy: This time she's celebrating Fink and the Danish BDS model. Paywalled.

Hanne Kjöller: Ett kunskapscentrum för postcovid kommer inte göra patienterna friskare
https://www.dn.se/ledare/hanne-kjol...tcovid-kommer-inte-gora-patienterna-friskare/
A physician on X/Twitter fact-checked some of Kjöller's statements:


Benjamin K Wellander @Benjaministern:

"@hanne_kjoller Du skriver i din ledare att Sundhedssyrelsen beslutat att kliniker för funtkionellt lidande SKA involveras i vård av post-covid när mätbar organskada eller påverkan på lukt/smak saknas. Jag har mejlat SST: Påståendet stämmer inte. [IMAGE screenshot of email response from Sundhetsstyrelsen]"

"Dessa patienter ska alltså hanteras på särskilda kliniker för post-covid. Tvärtemot vad du gör gällande i din krönika så utgår dessa kliniker INTE från att post-covid är en helt funktionell diagnos. Huvudspecialitet är internmedicinsk, som inte handlägger funktionella besvär."

"@hanne_kjoller kommer du att göra en rättelse eller ignorera?"

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Benjamin K Wellander @Benjaministern:

"@hanne_kjoller You write in your editorial that the Danish Health Authority has decided that clinics for functional disorders MUST be involved in the care of post-covid when measurable organ damage or impact on smell/taste is missing. I have emailed the SST: This statement is not correct. [IMAGE screenshot of email response from Sundhetsstyrelsen]"

"These patients should therefore be managed in specialised post-covid clinics. Contrary to what you claim in your column, these clinics do NOT assume that post-covid is a fully functional diagnosis. The main speciality is internal medicine, which does not deal with functional disorders."

"@hanne_kjoller will you make a correction or ignore?"
For those of you who missed it earlier, here's a reply written by the Swedish Covid Association to one of Kjöller's earlier editorials, published in DN in February 2021. They fact-checked her piece and found that the studies she cited didn't support her claims.

Replik: Hanne Kjöllers berättelse om långtidscovid går inte ihop
https://www.dn.se/ledare/replik-hanne-kjollers-berattelse-om-langtidscovid-gar-inte-ihop/
 
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Not sure how much it is covered by the news other places, but the storm Hans is really creating havoc in Norway. There are lots of damage done, and multiple people/places have been evacuated.

Such a situation is terrible enough for a healthy person, but being ill on top of that :(
 
Not sure how much it is covered by the news other places, but the storm Hans is really creating havoc in Norway. There are lots of damage done, and multiple people/places have been evacuated.

Such a situation is terrible enough for a healthy person, but being ill on top of that :(
I hope you are able to stay safe, @Midnattsol and all our other members living in the affected area. :hug:
 
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We have been in and out of the yellow zone, but been spared from more or less all of it. Only some short bursts of real heavy downpour, and the national alarm system errors that have made phones ring extremely hard warning about catastrophes. That alarm is, to say the least, not for people with sound sensitivities and some have gotten it 18 times in a single day due to the error (ours only twice at most). Before this system was rolled out there were several disability advocates, including carers of severe pwME, that tried to explain that not everyone will be able to tolerate the sound. Hope they are ok.

Some of the municipalities that have been hit hardest are, if my memory serves correctly, among those with the highest percentage of disabled inhabitants.
 
Another article about pwME Niklas Malmqvist in Sweden.

Niklas om sin ME: Det värsta är att tvingas vara självisk
https://www.wellness.se/halsa/sjukd...in-me-det-varsta-ar-att-tvingas-vara-sjalvisk

Do be aware that Niklas and his influencer partner Vanja Wikström are currently also actively marketing their NTF business. The attention and media exposure they are getting through the articles about Niklas's ME is probably very important for their business, so that might have an impact on what they say and where they appear etc.

Also worth keeping in mind is that, according to the article linked above, Niklas is a patient of two private ME clinics, one of which is very expensive.

An recent article about their business:

Vanja Wikström satsar allt på NFT: “Vi sätter hela vårt rykte, vår personlighet och yrkesmässighet på spel”
https://www.breakit.se/artikel/3281...t-rykte-personligt-och-yrkesmassighet-pa-spel
medagboken on Instagram writes about Wikström & Malmquists NFT business today:
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Vanja Wikström promised that money from her and her partner's project/company World of Alidia would go to ME research. People have invested, the project/company is now being closed down due to poor profits.

In total, they have donated SEK 500 [approx 41 Euro or 35 GBP] and Vanja does not want to answer how she has directed the money to ME research, which she promised to do in a post on her blog on 10 March 2022.

The very small amount was donated to the Brain Foundation where ME is not included as a diagnosis to choose.

So we don't know if any money went to ME research at all.

When I asked her to explain how she directed the money to ME, she blocked me.

ETA: Some more info on BloggBevakning's blog here.
 
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Here's another post by medagboken on Instagram, published earlier today. Well worth a read:
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I've had enough of people who claim to want to help ME sufferers but are actually using us to make a career, make money or just try to gain status as the person who cracked the ME puzzle. We don't need these researchers, carers, private gurus or whatever form they come in.

Because the form doesn't matter, the pattern is the same.

These are people who like to talk in the media about how pitiful ME sufferers are and how much they do to help us. Despite this, they contribute to substandard research that wastes the time and energy of sick people without having a chance to lead anywhere, research without ethical review, they run companies where the decisions made are not in the best interests of ME sufferers but in their own best interests, they spread claims about ME that are not true but that allow them to portray themselves as experts, etc.

There are ME clinics without home visits so that the most severely ill are left without care, treatment models without research support but which are cheap and easy to make money from.

It is exploitation. [...]
 
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