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  1. Midnattsol

    Midnattsol Moderator Staff Member

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    It's marketed towards healthcare students, with en emphasis on nursing students. Hope to find it tomorrow.

    Edit: Found it, but it was wrapped in plastic so no reading possible. Next stop the medical library at the university.
     
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    The pop-science website forskning.no (forskning = research) is having an ongoing article series on psychology research. Blurb about the series (google translate):

    In a series of articles, we will focus on the field of psychology. How well does it really work?

    For readers with mental health problems: In this series, we ask questions about research into psychotherapy. Several researchers speak out critically, and there is much disagreement. But the researchers agree on one thing: if you have mental health problems, there are generally better chances of recovery if you go to therapy. And if you get treatment that you feel is good for you, there is no reason to stop.

    Three articles so far (I will add google translate links later when my brain works a bit better):

    Hvorfor er forskerne så uenige om hvor godt psykoterapi virker?
    Why are researchers arguing about how well psychotherapy works?

    Kan pasienter bli like friske av å snakke med en som ikke er psykolog?
    Can patients become just as healthy by talking to someone who is not a clinical psychologist?

    Hvorfor finnes det 500 ulike typer psykoterapi?
    Why are there 500 different types of psychotherapy?

     
  3. Solstice

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    Can't read the entire articles but there's a lot to pick apart in these two sentences alone. First they prime what I suppose was to be an open discussion by saying psychology works. Generally better chances could mean anything though, could just mean that 70 out of 100 patients get a bit better while the rest get worsened for example.

    The second sentence feels self-evident but is also wrong. CBT for ME/CFS can feel good. I know I enjoyed being around people that also had the disease because of the level of understanding between us. But that initial good feeling turned into tremendous worsening in the long term.

    I'd imagine similarly that going to a psych that listens to you when depressed can in first instance feel good. If the psych then gives you a number of things to change about your way of thinking and you fail at that or it simply isn't good advice it can worsen your general situation.
     
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    This is ridiculous in a "let's make the minimum wage $100K/h", which is meant as a joke.

    If we are to believe the numbers about mental illness, and there is no reason to do so as they are obviously wildly inflated in part by making all unsolved diseases and illnesses to be mental illnesses, then even if there were 1,000x more therapists, I don't think it would be possible to meet this demand, even in the richest countries. Obviously it should stop, otherwise it's not a treatment any more than drinking alcohol daily at the corner pub is. If it doesn't treat anything, then it's not a treatment.

    And even the numbers for a few sessions barely work, whose results from any rigorous studies are dismal. But the idea that people should stick to it is plain absurd, the economics don't even come close to working out.

    When it comes to safe medication it can make sense to say "this works on 1/7 people so try it" because we can mass produce them. And that's if they are truly safe, which is rarely the case since side effects and discontinuation symptoms are always covered up. But to keep an active treatment going that requires 1:1 with a professional, with such terrible efficacy numbers coming out of biased studies with huge conflicts of interest, isn't just failing at economics 101, it's failing at basic common sense.

    Until psychology gets serious about doing real research, they will never accomplish anything anyway. They want fake results, and that's all they're getting.
     
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  6. mango

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    ME is mentioned in this news article today about Stuart Murdoch's upcoming book, which is described as semi autobiographical.

    Belle and Sebastian-sångare skriver roman om sin sjukdom
    https://www.dn.se/kultur/belle-and-sebastian-sangare-skriver-roman-om-sin-sjukdom/
    Belle and Sebastian’s Stuart Murdoch to Publish Debut Novel
    https://pitchfork.com/news/belle-and-sebastians-stuart-murdoch-to-publish-debut-novel/
     
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    Postcovid- webbinarium för allmänläkare, 27 September

    https://www.akademisktprimarvardsce...talog/postcovid--webbinarie-for-allmanlakare/

     
  8. mango

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    Daniel Maroti and others write about treatment for functional somatic symptoms, in an article published in the journal of the Swedish Medical Association. ME is not mentioned, but Wessley and Fink are.

    Funktionella somatiska symtom och nya behandlingsperspektiv
    https://lakartidningen.se/klinik-oc...matiska-symtom-och-nya-behandlingsperspektiv/

    Archived version:
    https://web.archive.org/web/2023091...matiska-symtom-och-nya-behandlingsperspektiv/
     
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    Läkemedelsrekommendation vid ME/CFS saknas
    https://www.janusinfo.se/nyheter/ny...idmecfssaknas.5.123ab49718aa56e7b9d5a5b0.html
    Janusinfo Region Stockholm is a non-commercial drug information service for doctors and healthcare professionals.
     
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    The Norwegian ME Association is planning a survey on ME and pregnancy, and if I understood correctly also the time before and after.
     
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    Upsetting content, both the fate of the pwME and the incomprehensibly stubborn attitude of the Danish health authorities
    https://www.bt.dk/samfund/vagtlaege...-opkald-faa-dage-foer-sin-mands-doed-han-blev
    https://www-bt-dk.translate.goog/sa...=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp


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    The husband of a pwME in Norway has written an opinion piece on how their life became different than expected due to illness:

    Livet sammen ble ikke som vi trodde
    Life together did not turn out as we thought

    "Serious illness in close relationships can end in people becoming even closer, but illness can also end in broken relationships. I am grateful that Linn Therece's way of dealing with the disease has brought us even closer if possible. We stand together, but it has required me to also acknowledge my own shortcoming. I mustn't forget what it's really about. For her, it's about everyday life where she gets the opportunity to have the best possible life and hopefully get well again. I have faith and so does she. And we are both prepared for the fact that the road ahead will not be as we think and hope either."

    Note for people not Norwegian, the author is high up in the military in Norway, and the couple has had some media coverage recently for potential tax evasions. No idea if it is relevant for this opinion piece, but her illness has come up during the media coverage as living conditions etc. have been important. I want to be clear they have not been found guilty of anything, but I can see a need to explain a bit more about why they live as they do.
     
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    Chief of Defence(!) to be exact, the highest ranking officer.
     
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  15. mango

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    Sympathetic but paywalled article in a Swedish local paper:

    Teresias liv förändrades över en natt av ME-sjukdom
    https://www.smp.se/feature/teresias-liv-forandrades-over-en-natt-av-me-sjukdom/
     
  16. MittEremltage

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    Report on Swedish radio that a new study (Knoop) showed positive results for CBT in post-covid. It also appears that the region of Stockholm is planning a similar study for people with fatigue.

    New Dutch study shows that cognitive behavioral therapy, CBT, can be effective in reducing severe fatigue in post-covid patients. 63 percent of those who received CBT were no longer bothered by fatigue when they were followed up after six months. Researcher Elin Lindsäter, at the Gustavsberg health center in Stockholm, is planning a similar study of 500 severely fatigued patients in primary care: "It is a huge group of patients who suffer from severe fatigue."”

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    https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/kbt-kan-hjalpa-mot-extrem-trotthet


    My blogpost about it (Google translated):
    https://mitteremitage-wordpress-com..._sl=sv&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=sv&_x_tr_pto=wapp
     
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  17. mango

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    Yet another attack/opinion piece by Hanne Kjöller on people with ME, long covid and exhaustion disorder :grumpy::mad: "Harmful sick leave" :eek:

    DN.se Varannan patient hade aldrig behövt sin sjukskrivning
    https://archive.ph/8Y3Xs
    Excellent comment on X/Twitter:
     
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    That narrative is horrendous.
     
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    That is just pure nonsense. And obviously false. All this shows is that the so-called experts here have no clue what they are talking about, cannot tell the difference between illness and mental health. Which makes the whole claim to expertise likely a sham. It likely means that almost all so-called mental health, described as having to do with thoughts and beliefs, is likely false. All of it, or at best almost all of it.

    Looking back at the evidence of the last few years, it's far more likely that almost all of mental illness, if not truly all of it, is the product of environmental and infectious causes, with some injuries added to the mix, and has nothing whatsoever to do with psychosocial causes, only consequences. The whole biopsychosocial ideology is one of the most morally bankrupt ideologies to ever see widespread adoption. It's right there with the other horrible -isms of the 20th century.

    This is especially sadistic after having adopted a policy of mass reinfections from a virus that was already known to cause chronic illnesses like this. Medicine encouraged policies that made people sick, then not only refuses to care for them, but insults the people they harmed and harms them further. This is horribly immoral. I am revolted by the people doing this, enabling it, encouraging it and covering it up.

    It's really all made it clear that the problem is never "these people", it's simply people that are the problem. At its core it's the same process that made horrors like the tobacco companies lie about the harm of their product, it's no different at all. We simply have not created societies in which we care for the vulnerable, and it's sad that medicine is just as unable to do the bare minimum here. Everything and everyone is simply self-centered at its core.
     
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  20. mango

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    A reply to the opinion piece:

    Undvik begreppet »funktionell« i smärtvården
    https://lakartidningen.se/opinion/debatt/2023/10/undvik-begreppet-funktionellt-i-smartvarden/
    A reply to the reply, by Maroti et al:

    Meningsfullt skilja på »funktionell« och »strukturell« smärta
    https://archive.ph/wip/TgVOZ
     
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