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Long Covid in the media and social media 2022

Discussion in 'Long Covid news' started by rvallee, Feb 3, 2022.

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  1. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    NPR How long COVID sheds light on other mysterious (and lonely) chronic illnesses

    An interview with Meghan O'Rourke. There's also a 43 minute audio interview which I haven't listened to yet.

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    The reason I [say] autoimmune diseases and chronic fatigue syndrome or myalgic encephalomyelitis and chronic Lyme disease and fibromyalgia ... are today's "hysteria" is that ... in the research I did you can see medicine is incredibly uncomfortable with areas of uncertainty, diseases it can't measure, diseases it doesn't have a really clear handle on. And so when ... anyone who has one of these diseases goes into a doctor's office and says, "Doctor, I'm experiencing fatigue, I'm experiencing brain fog; it comes and goes," you very quickly get to the question of whether you're anxious. ...
     
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    Denise Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    As if the unpredictability of symptoms isn't sufficient reason for the person to have anxiety....
     
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    Mithriel Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I don't think she realises about MUS and FND which is frank about being a scientific justification for the concept of hysteria.

    I can see someone coming to this thinking it is a dismissal of the patient to fob everything off as anxiety but the truth is that doctors are told there is good research proving these illnesses are genuine diseases of the class Medically Unexplained Syndromes with a specific subcategory or sister disease of Functional Neurological Disorder.

    It may seem a subtle distinction but the fight is not against everything being claimed to be anxiety but proving an established medical categories with "successful" treatment protocols are wrong. Think of the fight to prove the germ theory of disease or that ulcers were caused by a bacteria.

    The hopeful thing is this sort of edifice usually falls suddenly and the quickest way to do it is to find a treatment which obviously works.
     
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    mango Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    A news article in the journal of the Swedish Medical Association. (ME is not mentioned.)

    »Det går inte att överskatta vad det gör för psyket att kunna jobba igen«
    https://lakartidningen.se/aktuellt/...-vad-det-gor-for-psyket-att-kunna-jobba-igen/

    Google Translate, English
     
  5. ahimsa

    ahimsa Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Article in the Washington Post reports that US Senator Tim Kaine (also former vice presidential candidate) has introduced a bill for Long Covid research:

    Kaine introduces bill to research and combat long covid, after suffering it himself


    https://wapo.st/3C6nL18 (Washington Post gift link, no paywall for 14 days)
     
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  6. ahimsa

    ahimsa Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Another quote from that Washington Post article on The Comprehensive Access to Resources and Education (CARE) for Long COVID Act:
    Sen. Markey has been supportive of ME/CFS research in the past. This post is from May 28, 2020:

    https://www.markey.senate.gov/news/...unding-in-upcoming-coronavirus-relief-package

    EDIT: Corrected the date of the old Sen.Markey press release.
     
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  8. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The Atlantic The Virus That Causes Mono Does a Lot More Than That by Sarah Zhang

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    The debilitating fatigue associated with long COVID and other post-viral syndromes does look, in some ways, like the fatigue caused by mono. And in the 1980s, doctors noticing the similarity had begun diagnosing chronic Epstein-Barr virus syndrome in patients whose mono-like symptoms of fatigue and sore throat did not go away for months. Eventually, however, experts took Epstein-Barr out of the name and gave it the more general term of chronic fatigue syndrome, because EBV does not seem to be the sole cause of such symptoms.

    Chronic fatigue may have several different explanations, but the virus may still play a role in some cases even after mild infections, says Hank Balfour, a pathologist at the University of Minnesota. He has also described cases of “chronic mono,” in which a severe initial EBV infection triggers mono symptoms that either linger or recur for months or even years. Mono’s acute phase typically lasts for weeks, which is already unusually long for a virus but is well documented. There isn’t much research on chronic mono though, and the diagnosis is not widely accepted among doctors. “It needs, I think, more attention,” Balfour says. Long COVID remains a baffling consequence of the novel coronavirus, but even the long-term consequences of very common viruses like EBV are poorly understood.
     
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  9. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I did a quick skim of the bill and it's not bad. I didn't go through it all to find funding but it looks on the order of maybe $100M in total. So not really big enough to change everything but enough to work with.

    More importantly, and because legalese is painfully precise and accurate: it explicitly and consistently extends the entirety of the efforts to "other similar post-viral conditions" and it explicitly lists ME, POTS and other chronic illnesses (can't remember if I saw fibromyalgia). So all this funding should be available for the whole disease category, not just Long Covid.

    There was also a report recently published by the GAO (Government Accountability Office), an independent body tasked with evaluating the costs of legislation or doing research for societal impacts that informs legislative efforts. It's rather good, frankly far above the average of what medical institutions have produced so far in terms of understanding the problem. Which is on brand. But it's blunt and sober about the scale and economic impacts. It should be powerful evidence to get this bill passed. I only quickly skimmed but I only saw a few mentions of "chronic fatigue syndrome", only term I noticed. But it was neutral and stuck to the evidence, it's refreshing not to have the usual opinion-based speculative nonsense.

    It would really be great if there were some oversight of the NIH efforts, though. Their insistence with avoiding anything that even smells of prior post-infectious illness is really wasting most of their efforts and they generally don't seem to take this seriously, likely because no one is doing any oversight. The NIH initiative is so far as unimpressive as it gets for its size, it really doesn't look like a billion-dollar effort.

    Edit: actually, since I haven't seen it published, the GAO report: https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-22-105666. Accountants are biased for accurate numbers, it's a good bias to have here.
     
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  10. ahimsa

    ahimsa Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Fibromyalgia is included. Here's an extract from the bill:
    I hope this helps, but I want to add that I'm definitely not able to read and fully absorb the details from this bill!
     
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    News from the US:

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/tim-kaine-with-long-covid-19-himself-introduces-research-bill-1.5804701

    I expect the ctv news piece is from a Washington Post article I don't have free access to.
     
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  12. ahimsa

    ahimsa Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I posted a "gift" link to that Washington Post article so that non-subscribers can read it:

    https://wapo.st/35O8hmf

    Gift links have no paywall for 14 days (first posted on Wed, Mar 2nd, so add the 14 days to that). After that time the link "expires."

    In the future I'd be happy to post other gift links to Washington Post articles about ME/CFS or Long COVID. As a subscriber I get 10 gift links per month. Just send me a note.
     
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    I previously posted about this in another thread. Here's another article on the same:

    Läkare anmäls: Sa att kramar och raw food botar postcovid
    https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/...s-sa-att-kramar-och-raw-food-botar-post-covid

    Google Translate, English
     
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    Three panel discussions will follow, featuring influential scientists and commentators including Professor Sir Jonathan Van-Tam, Professor Dame Clare Gerada, Professor Hugh Montgomery, Andrew Jack, Professor Sharon Peacock, Professor Devi Sridhar, Professor Peter Openshaw, Professor David Heymann and others.
     
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    Disappointing to keep seeing basic errors like this. There is no evidence that a specific diet helps, but there are many who suffer from severe symptoms if they eat certain foods, so cutting them is good symptom management. For sure it doesn't cause LC, but it can help by avoiding deterioration, which for some reason is a concept medicine is unable to grasp until it's explicitly taught this way. Same issue with PEM. Sometimes not making things worse while the immune system does its thing is the only thing that helps, even if it itself doesn't help, it merely avoids going backwards. Then of course there's alcohol, which as far as I am concerned is not known to most physicians yet some of the top basic things the patient community knows. Massive relapse trigger.

    But the idea of symptom management is also mostly screwed up, there's so little understanding about what it means for people who don't have to live with it. The biggest tell is being unable to understand that pacing is not a treatment, it is the ultimate in symptom management. This is what symptom management is: it sucks and it doesn't provide benefits other than not making things worse, but you'd think that in medicine the idea of not doing harm would be taken more seriously.

    Getting these small things wrong is OK for non-professionals but it's literally the whole point of having experts, so that at least a group of people is able to pay attention to what matters and ignore what isn't important. And based on this, clearly the patient community is still the only source of expertise at this point. 2 years in. Ugh, what a total dumpster fire.
     
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    Yes the 'not a treatment' and not necessarily something that improves things either - ie not sufficient for them to sit on their laurels as 'giving something' with and do no more research. But vital that they understand the principle because basically if they don't understand pacing they don't understand the illness - given they've been taught that stupid 2007 guideline bigotry of 'avoidance' so that our testimonies to what exacerbates are heard properly. What adjustments are needed fully get that because they cause exacerbations and delayed disability worse than not being able to do the thing in the first place it vitally needs to be on notes and instructions to those around those people ie family, employers and the NHS's own website propaganda.

    It's literally like the bit where they tell diabetics to avoid high sugar things. Not treatment and not sufficient on its own. But definitely not behavioural when diabetic reports worse symptoms after high sugar.
     
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    The Indo Daily: 'There were mornings I woke up and I didn't know who I was' - Olga's long Covid story
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    Olga Wehrly is an actor and voiceover artist originally from Sligo.

    In December 2020 Olga got Covid and it hit her hard.

    She has been dealing with an array of long Covid symptoms ever since, 'I've gotten lost doing the school run, my cognitive impairment has been colossal.'

    But despite all that Olga remains upbeat and confident that she will recover.

    The Indo Daily: 'There were mornings I woke up and I didn't know who I was' - Olga's long Covid story

    "It has made me feel really sorry for people with chronic fatigue syndrome who basically were gaslighted for 30-40 years. Because a lot of these similarities are starting to present with long Covid. So yeah it just highlights how people have been labelled as fakers and malingerers for a long-time and God, I can’t imagine how awful that has been for them."
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    This is an audio link. It’s not behind a paywall.

    People with ME/CFS will be able to relate to her symptoms & descriptions of daily life.

    She mentions she is part of a trial of LDN: hopefully a formal trial that gets published

    https://www.independent.ie/podcasts...ho-i-was-olgas-long-covid-story-41413311.html

    Some Irish people might remember from a Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters meeting on “Aligning Disability Services with the UNCRPD in consideration of chronic disease” where a woman with ME, Anna-Karin Ulpe, also spoke.

     
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    Time Researchers Are Getting Closer to Understanding Long COVID

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    Long COVID is also part of a much wider network of chronic diseases. It seems to overlap especially significantly with myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS)—a condition that can follow viral illnesses and leads to debilitating exhaustion—to the point that some Long COVID patients meet the diagnostic criteria for ME/CFS.

    Complex chronic conditions such as ME/CFS, chronic Lyme disease, and fibromyalgia have been around since long before COVID-19 existed and affect millions of people in the U.S. alone, but they have not historically received much research funding or attention from the mainstream medical community. “ME has a 40-year history that’s defined by neglect and abandonment,” says patient advocate Rivka Solomon, who has had ME/CFS for 32 years.

    While Solomon says she’s thrilled by the amount of attention given to Long COVID and stresses that there is no “us versus them” in the chronic disease world, she wishes other complex illnesses received the same amount of attention and funding—like the $1.15 billion over four years Congress gave the National Institutes of Health in 2020 to support research into the long-term effects of COVID-19.

    Part of the imbalance may have to do with the scale and immediacy of the Long COVID problem. Experts estimate there are upward of 15 million Long COVID patients in the U.S. and even more around the world, all of whom have gotten sick over the last two years. There are up to 2.5 million ME/CFS patients living in the U.S., by contrast. But if researchers had invested in ME/CFS and other post-infectious chronic illnesses earlier, Solomon says, they might have better answers for Long COVID patients today.
     
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    >It has made me feel really sorry for people with chronic fatigue syndrome who basically were gaslighted for 30-40 years.

    And who still are.

    >(ME/CFS)—a condition that can follow viral illnesses and leads to debilitating exhaustion

    Good to see exhaustion instead of fatigue. Still doesn't capture it fully, but an improvement.

    >But if researchers had invested in ME/CFS and other post-infectious chronic illnesses earlier, Solomon says, they might have better answers for Long COVID patients today.

    Well, yes.
     
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