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Dr Myhill’s complaint to GMC about PACE authors.

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Robert 1973, Jan 15, 2018.

  1. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I assumed that trying to discredit the GMC was the only point of this complaint. They were never going to rule against the PACE researchers. I was always unsure about the wisdom of making this complaint, as now that we have this ruling, how can people progress with challenging the GMC?

    edit: I'd assume that they avoided engaging with any of the specific concerns raised.
     
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  2. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    It seemed fairly pointless to me to go via the GMC to raise the issue, as the doctors involved can simply say they are practising NICE guideline recommended therapies. It's the guidelines that need changing.
     
  3. Inara

    Inara Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I didn't expect too much either. But it's interesting they say "It's not our issue, this has got to do with reasearch".

    They don't feel responsible for that it seems.

    The PACE authors applied NICE guidelines?

    Did someone else here get a reply?
     
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    Keela Too Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    My reply was similar :(
     
  5. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I think that the PACE researcher's series of misleading claims, and refusal to correct clear errors, does mean that they have shown themselves to be unfit to be working within medicine. I don't think that there was ever much chance that the GMC would make that ruling though.
     
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  6. Inara

    Inara Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The question for me is whether I should reply. But I think it's better to wait for Myhill's input and save my energy.
     
  7. NelliePledge

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    I think theres an element of needing to try all means of pursing a complaint to demonstrate to less sympathetic politicians that the harm caused just isnt being properly addressed by the medical establishment

    obviously having a change in the guidelines is necessary but it doesnt address harms already caused

    wondering what will be Dr Ms next move

    asking people to complain to the health service ombudsman?
    legal cases?
     
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  8. Daisymay

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    I too was wondering the same thing, if they went into this expecting the GMC to do this, but that taking the issue to the GMC was a necessary step on the way to taking things further?
     
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  9. Amw66

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    Coupled with the recent BabaGawa(?) case, and the Gosport doctor not being more severely pulled up ( her brother sat on GMC panel) it does make you wonder what exactly GMC ' s role is
     
  10. SallyC

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    wondering what will be Dr Ms next move

    On her recent Youtube update she said she expected the GMC to say this, and that the next step was a judicial review, which sounds like a very good plan.
     
  11. NelliePledge

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    what decision is Dr M considering asking for a judicial review of?
     
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  12. SallyC

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    Not sure but I think a court is a better forum than the GMC?
     
  13. NelliePledge

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    judicial review against NICE guidelines (if thats what they have in mind) was already tried some years ago though and wasnt successful
     
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  14. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yeah... than the GMC. It still seems like a lot would be stacked against us. It feels like this action is coming a few years too soon, and I'm not sure Myhill is the best figurehead either. To be successful with a judicial review we'll have to first make more progress elsewhere imo.
     
  15. adambeyoncelowe

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    We can always try again later?
     
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  16. Esther12

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    If you lose then a precedent is set that makes things more difficult in the future. If PACE/Wessely/etc win a legal ruling, the BMJ splash it juiciest parts all over the journal, but when they lose, they avoid doing so. These sorts of things shape the environment that we have to try to make progress in.
     
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  17. Inara

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    Without some risk we'll get nowhere.

    A lawsuit is most often like playing roulette. You never know how the judge will decide although of course you try to make him decide in your favor. Mostly judges, authorities and their experts stick together. That makes it even more difficult, but less roulette. (That's not a positive for us.)

    One negative verdict, which might be a precedence, doesn't mean it's over. The same holds for a positive verdict. (Unless maybe the verdict was spoken by the highest court. But then the fight continues, maybe not before court.) In a war there are always several battles. Since the discrimination against us is systemic we will need to fight many battles, e.g. several lawsuits could be needed, over many years, by many people.
     
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    I, too, have received a response to my complaint to the GMC that they will not be taking the matter further. Among other things, I specifically complained about the signatories to a letter to The Independent in 2012 which was part of a SMC-orchestrated media campaign to portray ME researchers as beleaguered victims and ME patients as extremists.

    This was not addressed in my letter and their reasons given for not investigating (cannot investigate funding, academic debate, methods of treatment and diagnosis, can only investigate registered doctors) would not apply in this case.
     
  19. Tilly

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    I also got a negative but I have a question does anyone know who educates the medical profession with regards to ME. I know M Sharp wrote a book for Occupational Health and I know the Choices are educators and SW has something to do with that. I need info on how this all this works. Any ideas
     
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    I haven't had a final response yet - maybe they are taking their time wading through them all
     
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