Does the Lightning Process Training Programme Reduce Chronic Fatigue in Adolescents and Young Adult Cancer Survivors? 2021, Fauske, Reme et al

That precisely should lead to any proposal being rejected on this basis alone. I doubt they check, i.e. did their job. They have one job. They can't do that job, so what the hell are they doing other than being very expensive rubberstamps?

 

@SNT Gatchaman

Thank you very much for your comments and expertise in this field. And thank you for confirming some concerns with the Lightning Process as it relates to children and young people who have been dealing with cancer.

 

Absolutely agree. And again, where is child protection services in this, and what was the ethics committees thinking?

 

Has psychology not explored the effects of asymmetrical power balances for kids and adolescents?

That this crap is continually pushed forward never ceases to amaze me .

 

There is also the fact that sick children are well aware of the upset they are causing in the family. When their parents are desperate to try anything that could help the child will be pressured into doing something that they do not want simply to please everyone else.

This is a problem in children with ME in general, that they deny their symptoms because it makes everyone happy.

edit to say. Even adults with ME can find it uses less energy to say they are fine rather than try to convey how they feel.

 

I'm sure it has. However, to connect this principle with a treatment program like LP you have to have indepth knowledge about what LP actually entails, something I don't think a lot of the decision makers that greenlight these projects actually have.

I'm guessing they've heard the sales pitch from the LP people themselves (the supposed experts on the intervention) and have some superficial knowledge about it. When they see that academics promote this stuff, they trust their judgement.

I don't think it occurs to many people that certain psychological interventions have a large potential for both psychological and physical damage. There's a myth that they are free of side effects and more "natural" then medical alternatives.

At least in Norway I think there's a sort of ideological resistance in the health care sector towards using medicine to treat a lot of things, especially if you have "natural" alternatives that are "without side effects" that can be used instead.

 

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When you consider that one of the people of whom we know apparently works as a post doctoral fellow with the Centre for medical ethics at Oslo, should we be surprised?

 

Quote from the paper:

"Prior to attending the three-day LP course, the participants had a telephone conversation with the course instructor to clarify any issues they might have and to allow the instructor to assess whether they were sufficiently motivated to proceed with the intervention. The latter was based on a standard LP checklist."​

 

Edzard Ernst's comment:

 

Absolutely. It is disheartening for family members to hear the pwME is having a bad patch, is never getting better etc. Family plans and ME are a very difficult mix. Long term, it's extremely wearing for everyone. The unpredictability of this horrible disease is everything from frustrating to exceedingly worrying.

 

We might have different experiences, but I absolutely feel that there's a sort of irrational bias against medication in some illnesses. Especially among the BPS crowd when it comes to ME/CFS or anything they deem to fit into the MUPS-category. That it's sort of seen as lazy for the patients to want to be treated with medication, and that they are supposed to transcend the illness with lifestyle choices and the power of positive thinking. There's a saying I've heard a lot of healthcare workers in Norway say: "De vil bare ha medisiner!" ("They only want medication"). And there's an implicit judgement in this that they shouldn't be looking for an external solution to their problems, but should somehow transcend it with working on themselves and finding better strategies for "mestring".

I think one shouldn't look at medication and lifestyle changes/diet changes as mutually exclusive, but rather complementary in a lot of illnesses. But there's this false dichotomy i see a lot of places where people think the two are almost mutually exclusive. I think we should use all the tools in the toolkit - especially in chronic, difficult to treat illnesses.

By the way, Nina Andresens last article in Psykologtidsskriftet is an example of what I perceive to be an irrational, ideological resistance to medication.

 

A wise decision indeed.

 

Nina E. Steinkopf writes that the study was omitted from ethical approval. How is that even possible??

ME-livet: Study with alternative treatment for fatigue after cancer treatment - without ethical approval

quote:
The Norwegian Regional Ethics Committees for Health Research, REK, state on their website that «All medical and health research projects need prior ethical approval from REK.» (4)

On January 23rd 2019, REK South-East received a request to assess whether the project was required to be submitted for approval. In REK’s response the following day, January 24th 2019, REK considers that the project is not required to apply for ethical approval. According to REK’s assessment, the project fell outside the scope of the Health Research Act and could be carried out without the approval from REK.