Coronavirus - worldwide spread and control

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Updated numbers are inaccurate anyways since incubation time is long and some might stay asymptomatic.

I've never been worried about swine flu, MERS etc. They have been new to the human population, too. It's the quarantene that makes it look so worrysome to me.
 
I don't think posting frequent updates of numbers on here is particularly helpful.

That's pretty much what the residents and businesses of Incline Village and the CDC said during the outbreak. And I would argue some of these patients will go into ME/CFS.

You are comparing apples with oranges. Of course the appropriate medical authorities have to take it seriously. I was just suggesting posting frequent updates of numbers of deaths from one particular infection on the forum is not particularly helpful to forum members.

It may be that some people go on to develop ME from this infection, just as with any infection. But us knowing the latest score isn't going to make any difference.
 
I've never been worried about swine flu, MERS etc.

I have. When you catch a severe form of mono (or whatever she had), from someone who knowingly came to work ill and knew she was contagious with what her doctor called some sort of liver function problem he did not understand, you might be afraid of contagious outbreaks too.
 
But us knowing the latest score isn't going to make any difference.

It might if you live near the latest score. My sister keeps getting violently ill and I now live with her. She won't go to a doctor because she is not right in the head. People who aren't right in the head can get this illness and infect others because they just do what they want. I know my sister does not have coronavirus, she knowingly eats spoiled food and now that she is blind because she treated her own diabetes, she eats spoiled food like moldy strawberries as she can't see the mold. My other sister tries to keep after her food items, but here she is sick again this morning with my sister now taking care of her.
 
Canada's first coronavirus patient had symptoms on flight from China

Canada’s chief medical officer said on Sunday that an individual who was declared the country’s first “presumptive” confirmed case of the novel coronavirus had developed symptoms on the plane while traveling from Wuhan in China to Toronto.

The province of Ontario health officials on Saturday said a man in his 50s developed a respiratory illness after arriving in Toronto on Jan. 22 from Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak of the viral disease, and was being treated in a public hospital and in isolation.

Theresa Tam, Canada’s chief health officer, told reporters in Ottawa that the patient had mild symptoms while on the flight, though he did not report his condition after landing at the Toronto airport.

The individual arrived via China Southern Airlines flight CZ311 from Guangzhou to Toronto. Tam said health officials are in the early process of contacting other travelers on that flight.

But Tam said other people on the flight or airport that were not close to the patient should not be overly concerned.

Canada’s Health Minister Patty Hajdu told reporters that the National Microbiology Laboratory will take up to 24 hours to confirm the findings on the local laboratory. And once NML tests are confirmed positive, then Canada will announce its first confirmed case of the novel coronavirus.

Unlerline mine.

  • Presumptive confirmed case :sick:
  • Wuhan to Toronto :mask:
  • Symptoms on flight but did not report upon landing :eyes:
  • Early in process contacting others on flight : unamused:
  • If not close to the patient on flight, should not be overly concerned :nailbiting:
  • 24 more hours to confirm :pensive:
 
I heard an expert talking on the radio today, and he said if we had daily/hourly updates of the number of people catching and dying of seasonal flu around the world, we would have worldwide panic just like this. He was not belittling the danger, just trying to get people to have a bit of perspective on it. I don't think posting frequent updates of numbers on here is particularly helpful.

Have to agree with this. As someone with personal experience of health anxiety the constant updates here with second by second reporting could be bad for some people’s mental health. A couple of people have already expressed that worry.
 
Have to agree with this. As someone with personal experience of health anxiety the constant updates here with second by second reporting could be bad for some people’s mental health. A couple of people have already expressed that worry.

I have way more anxiety that CCI and EDS are becoming entangled with ME instead of being separate diagnoses and that Stanford is helping to push that message. And that the CCC criterion has a PEF option instead of PEM, and I understand this is possible for someone mild. But then, pain is mandatory only without an infection, which could mean that the old 1990 Fibro criterion which was not diagnosing all Fibro patients (the new 2010 criterion doubled the number of patients with Fibro, especially in men) and Fibro patients may have received a CFS diagnosis when they have Fibro.

And that Hong Kong has 244 suspected cases with only eight confirmed and I have a friend there.

But you know what, I will stop posting because of anxiety over a deadly illness because I posted updates.
 
I understand some want to track this and comment and some find it distressing. I wonder if ignoring the thread might be helpful for some?

At the top of the thread but below the S4ME banner & on the same line that shows the number of pages in the thread there are a couple of tools:

Watch thread - which gives you alerts (if memory serves) and also Ignore thread. Clicking ignore thread gives you 3 options - news feed, new posts and thread list. I'm guessing selecting all three will make the thread pretty much disappear for you.
 
I understand some want to track this and comment and some find it distressing. I wonder if ignoring the thread might be helpful for some?

At the top of the thread but below the S4ME banner & on the same line that shows the number of pages in the thread there are a couple of tools:

Watch thread - which gives you alerts (if memory serves) and also Ignore thread. Clicking ignore thread gives you 3 options - news feed, new posts and thread list. I'm guessing selecting all three will make the thread pretty much disappear for you.

Certainly a good idea for those that can/want to
 
This was in the dutch news.

Het virus zou zich ook via de spijsvertering kunnen verspreiden. Dat zeggen Chinese wetenschappers. Ze hebben het virus nu ook gevonden in ontlastingsmonsters en rectale uitstrijkjes, nadat bleek dat sommige besmette patiënten alleen diarree hadden, in plaats van koorts.

The virus is found in poop and rectal swaps.

As many coronavirusses are in the digested track that would make sense.

I wondered why the outbreak was along the Yangtze river and where the Wuhan market gets the water from.
 
They need to abolish 'wet markets' because new viruses will emerge and there will be no turning back. International trafficking of wild animals needs to stop.

vietnam delights...

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Those fish on the left were one of the few creatures in the whole market that were actually dead.
 
This doc explains emerging numbers and studies, easy to understand and seems very fact based

 
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