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CBT combined with music therapy for chronic fatigue following Epstein-Barr virus infection in adolescents: a feasibility study, 2020, Wyller et al

Discussion in 'PsychoSocial ME/CFS Research' started by Dolphin, Apr 15, 2020.

  1. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Trial by Error by David Tuller: Nudge for BMJ About Music Therapy, Letter to "Health Anxiety" Expert

    I have written two more letters and have posted them below.

    The first letter is a nudge to BMJ’s research integrity department, which missed a deadline this week for providing me with an update on the status of that music therapy study from Norway. You know, the one that started off as a fully powered trial but failed on multiple metrics and ended up being published as a feasibility study seeking data to support the need for a fully powered trial, as I recently documented. I sent the letter this morning.

    The second letter, sent yesterday, is to the lead investigator of the study on “health anxiety” and CFS/ME that I critiqued earlier this week. Like the PACE authors and so many other CBT proponents, she appears to interpret equivocal findings in ways that suit her narrative but strain or even violate common sense. At my own academic institution, PACE has already been distributed in epidemiology seminars as an excellent case study of poor research; perhaps the health anxiety study or others from this cohort of investigators can be put to similarly good use.


    ETA: Link with the letters is also posted on the thread about the study on CFS/ME and co-morbid health anxiety here
     
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    I found a sister paper in "Music and Medicine"
    http://mmd.iammonline.com/index.php/musmed/article/view/679/0

    Full text only available to subscribers.

    Edit: Please note that this study was part of a randomized controlled trial ;)
     
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    Nina E. Steinkopf with new blog post where she shares an e-response she submitted about this study to BMJ. Her response was rejected because of its length and because it overlapped with other responses already online. BMJ also informed her: “we are currently reviewing the original article in light of the concerns expressed in the published e-response. The decision was made by the Editor in Chief of the journal.”

    Her blogpost is both in Norwegian: Blir musikkterapistudien trukket tilbake?
    and in English: Is BMJ retracting the Music Therapy study?
     
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    This is excellent news. They have no way to get out of this box they've made for themselves. They cannot defend the reviewing, since one reviewer didn't read it. Any re-review would have to reveal the errors that have been exposed. I think retraction is the only way out. But they are Houdinis and could likely think of some justification for republishing it.
     
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    Trial By Error by David Tuller: Another Letter About BMJ's Music Therapy Study

    I am still waiting for answers from BMJ about the Norwegian study of cognitive behavior therapy plus music therapy for treatment of chronic fatigue in adolescents after mononucleosis. The study was published in BMJ Paediatrics Open. I have written about it here.

    This morning I sent the following letter to the BMJ research integrity coordinator who had responded to the initial letter from me as well as four colleagues–Jonathan Edwards from University College London, Vincent Racaniello and Mady Hornig from Columbia, and John Swartzberg from Berkeley. These colleagues have been cc’d on my exchange with the research integrity coordinator, along with the journal’s editor-in-chief, BMJ’s editorial director, and a Norwegian journalist who has written about the study
     
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    I was just wondering where the BMJ's response had got to... Tuller's already on it!
     
  7. Kalliope

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    Trial By Error by David Tuller: Why Won't BMJ Take Action on Music Therapy Study?

    In their letter to the BMJ’s research integrity coordinator, Professors Racaniello and Hornig note that continued delay in this matter is not acceptable. As they write, “It seems clear that BMJ has an obligation to inform readers immediately that the paper did not pass a proper peer review.”
     
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    What's even more baffling than BMJ's intransigence here is that almost no one outside of our small circle seems to be bothered by this. It shows a complete breakdown of the peer review and quality control process at one of the most important medical journals in the world and... nothing.

    Hello? Is this mic on? Anyone concerned with research integrity and quality? Not when it concerns "those patients"? Oh, OK. That doesn't seem right at all but OK. Not even the "professional skeptics"? Same response, not a concern when it comes to "those patients"?

    SIRI: what are moral quandaries?
     
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    I think that quite apart from BMJs lapses in adhering to its own standards, one of the main issues is that neither the journals nor the authors of these trials will contemplate the notion that any of these therapies could be harmful or make patients worse.

    The DWP has a similar attitude and will cite 'customer satisfaction' surveys as proof that they are doing a good job.
     
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    Years ago this guy published a study testing his persistent arousal hypothesis of CF using clonidine. If I recall correctly, in that study activity levels also declined in the intervention group. I don't recall if it was statistically significant but the graph was rather startling. Undeterred by reality, he has continued to promote this hypothesis despite the massive self-own.

    Now we have this CBT music study in which the intervention also made activity levels worse. What's useful about this study is that it shows that people will tick boxes on questionnaires that say they are feeling better over time on repeated administrations of the same questionnaire (in both intervention and treatment-as-usual groups) irrespective of what is actually happening to them in reality as evidenced by the step count.

    This guy's studies have refuted many aspects of BPS but for whatever reason he offers totally illogical interpretations that are contrary to the results and they are eagerly accepted by govt authorities. Why is he doing this?

    Being an ME patient is like being stuck in some unfathomable Kafkaesque nightmare. When I tell ppl about the kinds of stuff medical journals publish these days no one believes me.
     
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    Because he can.

    Quality control in this area of medicine has completely broken down.
     
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    A long blog post by Toto NeuroImmunologisk Kurativ Behandling going through many aspects of the study.

    This research publication by Malik et al. is encumbered with an extreme number of types of bias and which is documented in this review. It is nevertheless with great surprise that this research team both willingly and intentionally wants to risk its entire research ethical - and academic integrity. This at the same time as the research project, at least on this website, was aware that a full-scale RCT was to be carried out. It goes without saying that when Malik et al are presented and disseminated as a "feasibility" study , it provides a basis for follow-up. The discrepancies are extensive and pervasive , and of such a nature that it is problematic to get a full overview of actual findings. Some "factual information" is a direct lie, there are major errors and omissions in tables and figures, there is also a lack of information such as exclusion criteria specific to the treatment intervention itself, characterization of participants and information to document claims and more.

    Norsk ME-forskning: Vegard Bruun Bratholm Wyller med tvilsom og kritikkverdig forskningspraksis
    google translation: Norwegian ME research: Vegard Bruun Bratholm Wyller with dubious and questionable research practice
     

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