BACME: Position Paper on the management of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/ Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS), Oct 2020

Does anyone have access to their ‘Therapy and Symptom Management Guide’? Their website says it’s currently under review, and they’ve put up ‘Post-Viral Fatigue - A Guide to Management’ which is dated May 2020. So they’re definitely updating their content. Does anyone still have access to their old content for comparison?
 
Does BACME have a separate policy and position on other "primary fatigue conditions", which they mention in

Our Mission is to support health care professionals to develop and deliver clinically effective and holistically informed practice for children, young people and adults with ME/CFS and primary fatigue conditions.

or do they simply lump everything?
 
Does anyone have access to their ‘Therapy and Symptom Management Guide’? Their website says it’s currently under review, and they’ve put up ‘Post-Viral Fatigue - A Guide to Management’ which is dated May 2020. So they’re definitely updating their content. Does anyone still have access to their old content for comparison?
A Google search gives this link https://www.bacme.info/sites/bacme..../BACME Therapy & Symptom Management Guide.pdf which currently returns a 404 Not Found error, so it was there but they've removed it.

But this link, https://www.southtees.nhs.uk/content/uploads/BACME-Guide-5815.pdf, gives access to the document, although there is no indication how old, or otherwise, it is. I've also attached the document to this post as well.
 

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A Google search gives this link https://www.bacme.info/sites/bacme.info/files/file-attachments/BACME Therapy & Symptom Management Guide.pdf which currently returns a 404 Not Found error, so it was there but they've removed it.

But this link, https://www.southtees.nhs.uk/content/uploads/BACME-Guide-5815.pdf, gives access to the document, although there is no indication how old, or otherwise, it is. I've also attached the document to this post as well.
Thanks! I had found the error page, but don’t have the skills to go find it elsewhere! Excellent work!
 
They reject the "deconditioning model of ME/CFS as a primary cause for the condition".

However GET was based on the belief that deconditioning was the cause of symptoms. Graded activity programs is how you treat deconditioning.

Presumably this means that GET is either intended to treat nebulous things like fear avoidance or treat deconditioning without pretending that patients can be cured in this way.

Now the problem with treating things like fear avoidance is that there's no evidence this is even real (in the sense that patients unnecessarily avoid activities out of an unjustified fear). It's something the CBT enthusiasts made up.

As for GET to improve fitness, the data I'm aware of points towards GET being ineffective for this purpose.
 
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As to why GET doesn't work, I'm not sure. My impression is that exertion, especially if repeated, causes a rapid or slow build up of exertion intolerance. A gradual increase in activity doesn't seem to prevent this. It just means it happens more slowly.

GET would work if patients consistently operated well below their sustainable activity levels or if it treated a key problem. That it doesn't work means we exclude both of these possibilities.
 
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My guess is that this is intended to reposition themselves as the experts who are best placed to continue to lead whatever service the new NICE guideline recommends.

They will be well aware that GET won't be acceptable to patients and has probably been removed from the guideline, so want to show that they have expertise in ME 'rehabilitation'. Hence the slight shifts in terminology from GET to grades activity, and the emphasis on no longer accepting the deconditioning model. They want readers to think they know what they are talking about.
It's a blatant statement of intent to keep their jobs.
Yes. Shape shifting. The way so many powerful people and organisations do when it finally starts to dawn on them the false realities they have been pushing may be coming unstuck. Can the own up to that? No, of course not, so they instead seek to convince everyone (themselves especially) that they have been on top of it all along. You see it everywhere.
 
Our view
While we welcome BACME’s clarity around the serious and complex nature of M.E., its support of research “into the biological causes and mechanisms of the illness,” and its refuting of the deconditioning model “as a primary cause for the condition,” we have a number of serious concerns about the statement and its potential impact in practice.

BACME says it “supports grading activity strategies when delivered by an ME/CFS specialist clinician to make increases and improvements in physical, cognitive and emotional function from an identified stable baseline.”

However, this is at odds with data from our 2019 Big Survey of more than 4,000 people with M.E. – see below.

We question why BACME have put this statement out before the consultation on the updated NICE guideline is completed, given that the latter is being led by people with M.E. and clinicians reviewing a huge body of evidence, including patient-reported outcomes. BACME’s condition also contrasts with the recent move by the Scottish Government highlighting the harms associated with graded exercise therapy (GET) and cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT).

We are very concerned that pacing is not mentioned at all, despite people with M.E. repeatedly reporting this approach to be of most benefit in supporting them to manage symptoms.

We find the references to the recovery-focused rehabilitation and the “best available clinically effective treatments” for M.E. to be misleading, when a majority of people with M.E. tell us that the strategies they most frequently use – including pacing and medication for individual symptoms – are focused on keeping symptoms within manageable levels, rather than recovery.

Your views

If you would like to share your views about BACME’s position paper, please email policy@actionforme.org.uk.

We will collate and share these with BACME’s executive board with the intention of opening a constructive dialogue.
 
hmm, they still link to the awful BACME management guide on their website
(even though the link no longer works)

The British Association for CFS/M.E. (BACME) also publishes a therapy and symptom management guide. This practical clinical treatment summary incorporates existing tools and methodologies from specialists who work with adults and children who have M.E., and offers a consensus approach to broader treatment based on clinician expertise, patient experience and the best available evidence. It's free to download at BACME's website.


https://www.actionforme.org.uk/support-others/for-healthcare-professionals/treatment-and-management/
 
But this link, https://www.southtees.nhs.uk/content/uploads/BACME-Guide-5815.pdf, gives access to the document, although there is no indication how old, or otherwise, it is. I've also attached the document to this post as well.
it's from 2015

see https://worcsmegroup.weebly.com/blog/-new-clinical-guide-for-cfsme-healthcare-professionals

eta:
Action for ME (AfME) blog - CEO blog: Dr Hazel O’Dowd on BACME
www.actionforme.org.uk/get-informed/news/our-news/ceo-blog-dr-hazel-odowd-on-bacme 4 August 2015
The British Association for CFS/M.E. (BAMCE) launches its new clinical guide to practical management of M.E. for healthcare professionals today. Our CEO Sonya Chowdhury invites Bristol NHS M.E. Service clinical lead Dr Hazel O’Dowd, who was involved in its production, to explain how the guide came about.
 
I think that's the same one (ie from 2015).
I'm pretty sure they did an updated treatment guide, didn't they? I saw one being shared by Robin Brown. It preceded this position statement.
you might be thinking of the one for Severe ME(?)
https://www.s4me.info/threads/new-bacme-guidelines-for-severe-me.7900/
 
My guess is that this is actually about long COVID treatment in NHS fatigue clinics and not about the NICE guidelines at all
it's started:

Leeds
CFS / ME Service
We are keen that patients receive appropriate rehabilitation advice regarding recovery from infection. It is important that people aim to resume a normal routine regarding eating and sleeping and they undertake a balance of rest and carefully graded activity to prevent deconditioning when possible. It is also important that over exertion mentally or physically is avoided as this can perpetuate or escalate a fatigue condition so patients will often need to be supported during the time that they will have to reduce their daily activities. This may include prolonged periods off work or studies or adaptations being made to take account of the fatigue and the need for regular rest periods.
A helpful patient guide to managing Post-Viral Fatigue is available to download.

There is also additional advice on the BACME (The British Association for CFS/ME) and Royal College of Occupational Therapy websites regarding managing fatigue post infection whist researchers and clinicians start to understand more about the recovery trajectory of such patients with COVID related fatigue and other symptoms. Download
https://www.leedsandyorkpft.nhs.uk/our-services/cfs-me-service/
 
The fact is that those randomized trials of GET and CBT where about inflexible therapies based on the reconditioning model. So if you reject those models, you'll also have to reject the randomized trials. You can't have your cake and eat it!
YES. This is the point, which needs to be reiterated again and again and again.

What BACME [edited to correct acronym] needs to explain is why they are rejecting the inflexible approach? Do they acknowledge the problems with the RCTs? Do they accept the validity of the evidence of harms? What is the evidence upon which the new watered down therapies are based?

It is certainly a step forward if they are promoting less harmful therapies. But it is also harmful to suggest that there is evidence that any therapies are effective. There is none. And promoting ineffective therapies is always harmful (regardless of whether or not they cause direct harms) because 1) it wastes money which could be spent of research and services which actually improve the quality of patients lives, and 2) it reduces the perception of the need to fund high-quality research to develop diagnostics tests and treatments.

My guess is that this is actually about long COVID treatment in NHS fatigue clinics and not about the NICE guidelines at all.
Remember in the webinar with Lynne Turner-Stokes, Trish Greenhalgh said they would be trying to align the longcovid Guideline with the revised ME/CFS Guideline to make sure there weren’t any contradictions (see thread).
 
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Remember in the webinar with Lynne Turner-Stokes, Trish Greenhalgh said they would be trying to align the longcovid Guideline with the revised ME/CFS Guideline to make sure there weren’t any contradictions (see thread).
Trying and doing are different things. She hasn't seen our guideline yet. Presumably, as others have said, she's waiting for the consultation draft.

This has preempted all of that, and as the link upthread from the Leeds clinic shows, the BACME statement seems to be about getting long COVID patients into NHS 'CFS/ME' clinics.

There will be a lot of funding going to whoever offers services dealing with long COVID patients. Sadly, that's a much more topical illness than ours, according to the press.
 
I don't think this should be assumed to be informed by the guideline, though perhaps it's a guess at what the guideline might include. Remember that sharing the guideline would get you kicked off the committee, and anyone who does so wouldn't get to input into the last round of edits after the consultation.

I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to do that, if they really wanted to influence the final guideline. Why would you work hard for two years to be heard, only to risk being kicked off at the last minute?
Trying and doing are different things. She hasn't seen our guideline yet. Presumably, as others have said, she's waiting for the consultation draft.
Call me an old cynic – and I appreciate that you know a lot more about this than me, Adam – but I would be surprised if the eminent members of the BPS lobby haven’t got a pretty good idea of what the new Guideline is going to look like. They seem to have a pretty strong omertà, and the pro CBT/GET members may feel they have less to lose by leaking info than the others. I’m also imagining a lot of “you might think that, I couldn’t possibly comment” type conversations going on.
 
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