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Why we victim blame -- and why Larry Nassar shows we shouldn't

Discussion in 'Relationships' started by Cheshire, Jan 23, 2018.

  1. Cheshire

    Cheshire Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Although talking of Nassar's victims, a lot is relevant to our situation, IMO.

    That is something that is at the core of the BPS theory I think, we must have done something wrong that caused us to be sick, because if we hadn't we wouldn't be sick. We must have broken some unwritten rule. So anything that could be seen as a rule breach in our life is interpreted as a potential cause of our illness.

    http://www.espn.com/espnw/voices/article/22172044/why-victim-blame-why-larry-nassar-shows
     
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  2. TiredSam

    TiredSam Moderator Staff Member

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    Couldn't help being reminded of someone when I read this.
     
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  3. Peter Trewhitt

    Peter Trewhitt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    'Secondary victimisation' is also related to power dynamics. Part of what we see in the current medical mismanagement of ME relates to a struggle to assert power and control.

    On the whole I have been very lucky to have had supportive experiences of doctors, only having had two negative experiences in twenty five years of ME. I may have had an easier time of it than most being a man, but one of my two negative experiences seems relevant here.

    I was a subject, over twenty years ago in an experiment looking at the potential for I think fish oil dietary supplement to help with ME. I regularly visited a Sheffield hospital to get the supplements and have blood taken. The researcher was, I think, a medical doctor. Each visit I was given the supplement, I have no idea if I was in a treatment or a control group, completed questionnaires, had an open ended interview and had my blood taken. What puzzled me was that the researcher was keen that I should agree that ME was a psychological condition, to such an extent that I wondered what the real purpose of the research was.

    There was the strangeness of a researcher apearantly believing something inconsistent with the research she was undertaking. At that point I was willing to believe in the possibility that there were significant psychological factors involved but I was not willing to concede that it was a purely psychological condition. Indeed the researcher's intransigence and lack of objectivity had the opposite effect over several weeks of convincing me the biomedical factors were the main basis.

    The first blood test was taken from my arm with me seated with just the sleeve rolled up. As the researcher appeared to get more frustrated with my failure to accept her model of ME the blood taking became increasingly an exercise of asserting power. The second time it could only be taken with me stripped to the waist, the third time with me stripped to the waist and lying down, with each progressive assertion of power the researcher actually denied that the previous way of taking blood had occurred. I never found out what the next stage might have been.

    I dropped out of the research at that point and was never contacted to ask why.

    Obviously in this research context I was just free to walk away, whereas in many situations, for example in children with ME the threat of child protection procedures, the unequal power dynamic means walking away is not an option.
     
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  4. Forbin

    Forbin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Could this 1999 study out of The University of Sheffield have been the one?

    The role of essential fatty acids in chronic fatigue syndrome. A case-controlled study of red-cell membrane essential fatty acids (EFA) and a placebo-controlled treatment study with high dose of EFA.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10071170

    If so, using Google Books, you can find further information on it and a previous study of fish oil for CFS beginning on page 24 of "The Pharmacotherapy of Common Functional Syndromes: Evidence-Based".

    In the book it says that five participants dropped out of the latter study (1999) because of "lack of change in their condition." :confused:

    Under author information at the link above, the affiliation of the first author of the 1999 study is "The University of Sheffield, Section of Psychiatry, Northern General Hospital, UK"

    Basically, this was supposed to be an attempt to confirm a positive study about CFS and fish oil that had been conducted at the University of Glasgow nine years earlier, in 1990.

    I'm sure they gave it their all, but they found no effect for the combination of fish oil and primrose oil on CFS.
     
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  5. Peter Trewhitt

    Peter Trewhitt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Thank you.

    Yes it terms of timing it sounds as if it must have been the one, though I can't be absolutely certain as I did not keep any paper work. The attempting to replicate a previous Glasgow study rings a bell, though my memory is not always reliable.

    In relation to me, they had no information as to why I dropped out, which was directly related to the behaviour of the researcher I saw.
     
  6. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I'm confused :confused:. Can't imagine who you might mean :p.
     
  7. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Blaming the victim is also a very standard behaviour of abusers.
     
  8. Forbin

    Forbin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yes. When I used the confused emoji above [:confused:], it was entirely because their explanation of "lack of change in their condition" sounded like an odd, perhaps "catch-all" reason for 10% of the participants to drop out of a trial in which it was known going in that there was a 50/50 chance of getting a placebo (the 5 came from both arms of the trial). On the other hand, the "lack of change in their condition" explanation just happened to support their finding of "hey, this stuff is useless!" :cautious:
     
  9. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    If the institution is not bad, why is it protecting predators? :mad:
     
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    If I may edit your post:

    If the institution is not bad, why is it ELECTING predators? :mad:
     
  11. BruceInOz

    BruceInOz Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yes I was confused by the choices available.
     
  12. Allele

    Allele Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    A thousand outraged upvotes to both of you.

    The problem is deeply systemic; how ever did we get here?!?!
     
  13. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Actually, I've reconsidered. The institution in not bad. "Bad" does not begin to cover it. It is the embodiment of greed and evil. :emoji_money_mouth:
     
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