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  1. Luther Blissett

    Luther Blissett Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Wilfred Owen - poet

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilfred_Owen#War_service

    Siegfried Sassoon - poet

    Citation for military cross:
    Opposition to war:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_Sassoon#War_opposition_and_Craiglockhart
     
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  3. Allele

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    The father (Asa Watkins) of a friend of mine was a conscientious objector during WWII. He was sent to "serve" at a terrible, abusive mental hospital where conditions were horrid, and went on to be an activist for mental health reform. (He was in an excellent documentary about this called "The Good War and Those Who Refused to Fight It.")

    Other objectors were used as human guinea pigs for "science":


    I think it is important (while recognising there are some legitimate uses for psychotherapy) to examine the history of psychiatry and how it has gone hand in hand with removal of agency in individuals who don't fit the ever-shifting "norm" and become "inconvenient" to someone or something. Like the reversal of terms like "functional" "medically unexplained" etc, the discipline itself is not what it claims to be on the surface.
     
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  4. dreampop

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    This is the paper related to this presentation "Different Shell, Same Shock".

    I don't have the whole paper but that's quite explicitly calling PTSD pure hysteria in 2017.
     
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  5. Mithriel

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    I am sure I read in the New Scientist a few years ago that US soldier's helmets were being redesigned or they were considering it, because they had found that concussive force causes small areas of brain damage. It makes perfect sense that bouncing the brain will cause physical tearing. They know that repeated concussion leads to long term damage and changes have been made to school sports.

    It is beyond belief that in 2017 they think that the medicine of a hundred years before should have precedence over MRIs.
     
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    I recently read (don't ask me how I came across it, it is a convoluted tale-it started with the Brenva Face of Mont Blanc) that the much-vaunted Rivers-he of Craiglockhart and Siegfried Sassoon fame- wrote, in private correspondence, that he thought he had never helped anyone. How different to modern times.
     
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    I meant to add to my last post that this subject exposes the fallacies of Wessely. When he mentions "neurasthenia" he wishes it to be thought that he is referring to some original sense. By 1918 the (EDIT main) way in which the term was used was probably as a war psycho-neurosis.
     
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  8. dreampop

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    There are a myriad of plausible explanations but it is complicated that all PTSD sufferers are lumped together. It is not unlikely that the acute stress of war would cause physiological changes. That is very different from hysteria.
     
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