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UK Action for ME - policies, actions and publications - discussion thread

Discussion in 'General Advocacy Discussions' started by Hutan, Jul 26, 2021.

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    One would hope it doesn't matter, though I'm not sure such an imbalance in any workforce that has interaction with a membership or the public would be healthy as a sustained feature. Third sector employment is heavily weighted toward women - about a 3:1 imbalance, UK public sector (including NHS) has f/m imbalance of around 2:1 but across public and private sectors, admin and office staff split 3:1 f/m so a small organisation that is fundamentally office based is always likely to be skewed toward a female majority workforce.
     
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    For AfME Trustees - 13 in total. 9 men and 4 women.

    For comparison: Doctors with ME's "Honorary Fellows" - currently 14 men and a sole woman (there would have been an additional woman, but I declined the invitation.)
     
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    Interestingly their Scottish co- ordinator is not listed ( Theresa Burns).

    I believe she is seconded to working on the Scottish Neurological review which may mean she is being paid by Scottish Government.

    Dosnt seem to have been backfilled
     
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    Working in the charity sector doesn't pay as well.

    IMO this explains the gender imbalance.
     
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    I don't know, but some of this positions might be part-time, which may appeal more to women than to men.
     
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    I fail to see what the issue is here. Non-senior roles in the charity sector as a whole tend to be filled by women.

    Also, AfME are aware of this imbalance.

    "We are currently underrepresented by men, non-binary and black and minority ethnic people in our workforce and would particularly welcome applicants from these groups."

    https://www.actionforme.org.uk/get-information/about-us/work-or-volunteer-with-us/
     
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    You're quite right.

    Personally, I think the best person for the job is more important than what sex they are. How a team performs is more important than how it looks. Sure, in an ideal world a team reflects some ideal balance but the most important thing is a team that works.

    I do think a team with all males would attract comments more quickly, possibly that's my bias. My comment reflected the thought that it sometimes seems as a society we caught up in appearance at the cost of effectiveness.

    It was not intended as a criticism of AfME & I apologise if it came across this way.
     
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    I don't think that (as in this case) nearly 10% of the charitys income (ie c.£90,000) for the CEO is exactly low.
     
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    There's very large variation across the 3rd Sector (the term 'Charity' has so much historical and moral baggage). Some 3rd sector pay is abysmal, especially where the comparator jobs are in the private sector (care etc).

    Trade Unions were once very slow to recruit in 3rd Sector work places but as the 3rd Sector began to pick up contracted out public services, Unions and employees had some success in linking pay and conditions to Local Authority or other Public Sector standards, and that is what one would now find in well run 3rd Sector orgs. CEO pay (as distinct from the rest of the work force) has long been an area of difficulty. Depending on the role, a Private Sector comparator may be more appropriate and in large 3rd Sector organisations managerial and director level pay and recruitment is a unique field.

    For AfME the CEO salary is IIRC at the top end, but not excessively so, of the range for a 3rd Sector organisation of its income range. It's tempting to compare AfME to the MEA which doesn't have a CEO role, but I don't think that comparison is helpful. The MEA has operated with free volunteer* work making up for much of what would otherwise be paid CEO or separate managerial/specialist expertise roles. My own (inadequately informed) view is that in the long term the MEA will likely have to revisit the question of where the burdens of its work falls between volunteer and paid professional.

    It's a truism that 'you get what you pay for' and while volunteer orgs can punch way above their weight (SfME !!!) providing long term professional quality services and/or advocacy in the face of increasing demand or changing social and political environments usually requires paid professionals.

    *heroically so !
     
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    Well, if the majority of blokes are women that sounds like real diversity;)
     
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    :laugh::rofl::rofl:
     
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    Perhaps with the recent manifestation of Miller they will see that updating this material is actually much higher priority than they have given to it so far.
     
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