Trial By Error: The Lightning Process Is “Effective”? Really?

Wonko · Dec 8, 2019

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It makes you turn off your ad blocker to read it too.
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I am using Chrome on Windows 7 with Adblocker for Chrome and Adblocker Genesis Plus installed and I can read it without turning them off.

I didn't, but the text is visible with most ad area's on the page blanked out (ad break on the TV so was bored lol)

Kalliope · Dec 8, 2019

A Reddit discussion about LP from today. A 17 year old boy describes what he was taught during an LP seminar in Oslo 3 years ago. He went together with his mother who seems to have had a lot of faith in the instructor.

Interesting that the instructor suggested he might be too young to understand the program, when he expressed scepticism. If young age is an issue, why was children enrolled in the SMILE trial?

Sly Saint · Feb 16, 2020

It's worth having another closer read of the 'conditions' laid down by the ethics committee before the SMILE trial started (or at least it was supposed to be, although recruitment had apparently begun).
Ethics committee finally approves controversial ‘SMILE’ pilot study into Lightning Process and children with ME/CFS
https://www.meassociation.org.uk/20...to-lightning-process-and-children-with-mecfs/

Extract of Minutes from South West 2 REC meeting held on 2 December 2010.
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Dr Crawley had provided a detailed response, which included letters from Mary-Jane Willows, CEO of Association for Young people with ME (AYME) and Colin Barton, Chairmen of the Sussex and Kent ME/CFS Society which the REC had available for consideration.
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4 Mr Parker is shortly to attend court for making false claims about his product The Committee noted the correspondence submitted by Dr Crawley from Mr Parker and the refutation of this. The Committee considered this but had no further comments to make on this point
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7. Mr Parker has used the study to increase sales No evidence has been provided that Mr Parker has specifically used this study to increase sales. It was noted that the adjudication by the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) had stated that “The ad [16 June 2010 Internet sponsored search] must not appear again in its current form. We [the ASA] told Withinspiration to ensure they held substantiation before making similar efficacy claims for the lightning process” and that all Lightning Practitioners had been advised of this. The protocol and application clearly state that practitioners had been informed that they must make NO therapeutic claims on the basis of this study.
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11. The role of the External Advisory group The Committee considered that AYME has been consulted during the planning of this study.
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13. Concern about the “primary endpoint” The Committee clarified that this is only a feasibility study and that the primary endpoint is to see if it a full study is possible. The Committee also suggested that the secondary endpoint could be altered to assess the return to the education that children were in prior to their treatment rather than attendance at school.
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Q2: You stated that the study has started recruiting,

Dr Crawley stated there has been a high recruitment rate so far. Participants have not started receiving treatment yet.

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The Committee requested that the fact that the practitioner is not clinically qualified be added to the PIS.

The Committee suggested that consideration should be given to using “clinically qualified” Lightning Practitioners should the feasibility study proceed to a full study in the future.

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Q7: The Committee discussed the secondary endpoint regarding returning to school and suggested that it could be altered to assess the return to the education that they were in prior to their treatment rather than attendance at school.

Dr Crawley replied that recruitment and retention is the primary endpoint of the study as it is a feasibility study.
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Cheshire · Aug 27, 2020

Trial By Error: The Lightning Process Strikes Again

Another piece from @dave30th

The Lightning Process was founded more than two decades ago by Phil Parker, a British Tarot reader and specialist in auras and spiritual guides. The LP, as it is often called, could be described as “a neuro-physiological training programme based on self-coaching, concepts from Positive Psychology, Osteopathy and Neuro Linguistic Programming,” as Parker and colleagues did in a 2018 paper. It could also be described as a potpourri of woo-woo. Take your pick.

For its purported healing powers, the LP has attracted a major following in the UK, Norway, and other countries. To anyone in the US of a certain age, think something like est (full name; Erhard Seminars Training)–one of those change-your-life weekend experiences that swept across the American zeitgeist in the ‘7Os and ’80s.
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https://www.virology.ws/2020/08/27/trial-by-error-the-lightning-process-strikes-again/

Trish · Aug 27, 2020

Excellent as usual. Thank you @dave30th.

Forbin · Aug 28, 2020

For its purported healing powers, the LP has attracted a major following in the UK, Norway, and other countries. To anyone in the US of a certain age, think something like est (full name; Erhard Seminars Training)–one of those change-your-life weekend experiences that swept across the American zeitgeist in the ‘7Os and ’80s.
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I think I've only seen bits and pieces of it, but there is a 1977 Burt Reynolds movie called "Semi Tough" which is largely a satire of the then en vogue "Human Potential Movement," including est (erhard seminars training).

According to wikipedia:

A 1977 review in TIME refers to Friedrich Bismark's B.E.A.T. as "an est-like movement", and notes: "the Ritchie-Bernstein version of an est seminar is done with marvelous malice".[9] Psychiatry and the Cinema characterizes the film as a "devastating parody" of the est training.[20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-Tough
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The "Friedrich Bismark" character is presumably a caricature of est founder Werner Erhard.

Kalliope · Jan 21, 2021

dave30th · Jan 22, 2021

@Kalliope thanks for posting that here!

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