The science of craniocervical instability and other spinal issues and their possible connection with ME/CFS - discussion thread

I found another paper, this one by Bolognese and Milhorat , that addresses cranial settling in the context of connective tissue disorders, and talks about upright imaging. It has some good diagrams as well.

The title of the paper is
Syndrome of occipitoatlantoaxial hypermobility, cranial
settling, and Chiari malformation Type I in patients with
hereditary disorders of connective tissue,
And if you search for it on Google scholar there's a free PDF available.
I'm attaching some images that I think are relevant.
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Ah. So in other words, traction normalities a kyphotic CXA. Great find!

I've linked to this paper many times before but never thought much about the details of intraoperative traction and CXA.
Thr paper also has a description of the process of intraoperative traction and a diagram. Attached here. Screenshot_20191117-171759.png 10143_2017_830_Fig3_HTML.gif
 
To respond to @Jonathan Edwards ' response to me in another thread. I apologize for misrepresenting your position by saying you said traction could not alleviate brainstem compression at all. I did not mean to misrepresent you. I inferred that you thought this because you said traction wouldn't be a useful test.

You recently said: "Traction will relieve brainstem compression by reducing forward-back displacement. The comment I made previously was that I though ti very unlikely that it had anything to do with raising the skull up in relation to the cervical vertebrae (certain not in relation to the head as JenB had originally said)."

And at another point said: "Symptoms of CCI by and large do not change with traction. Even with surgery they mostly do not improve but stabilise. I see no reason to think that traction is a useful guide to diagnosis. "

So I am confused by the contradiction. Are you saying that you think traction could indicate something about brainstem kyphosis in the context of horizontal but not vertical instability? Or just that the effects can be salutory for CCI but not specific enough to CCI to indicate something about the pathology ?
 
@JenB can you please confirm for me that you mean dysphasia as a symptom of CCI - and not dysarthria? That doesn’t make any sense to me. Brainstem compression leads to slurred speech and swallowing problems due to the effect on the cranial nerves. Aphasia/dysphasia results from damage to the cortex....

Sorry that is a spelling error. It should read "dysphagia," which is difficulty swallowing. Thanks for catching that!
 
I found another paper, this one by Bolognese and Milhorat , that addresses cranial settling in the context of connective tissue disorders, and talks about upright imaging. It has some good diagrams as well.

The title of the paper is
Syndrome of occipitoatlantoaxial hypermobility, cranial
settling, and Chiari malformation Type I in patients with
hereditary disorders of connective tissue,
And if you search for it on Google scholar there's a free PDF available.
I'm attaching some images that I think are relevant.
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Yep! And that change in BDI is I believe what is correcting the cranial settling part, in patients who have it.

Note the change in BDI between supine and sitting.
 
I noticed that. I also noticed that they explore the possible pathology of what is going wrong with the ligaments in that paper. Perhaps the problem is with elastin not collagen ?
Also I still don't understand the category of "functional cranial settling" vs just regular cranial settling but I notice they use this, as well as Henderson.
 
I noticed that. I also noticed that they explore the possible pathology of what is going wrong with the ligaments in that paper. Perhaps the problem is with elastin not collagen ?
Also I still don't understand the category of "functional cranial settling" vs just regular cranial settling but I notice they use this, as well as Henderson.

I actually think functional cranial settling was my diagnosis. "Functional" in medicine just means that something doesn't work properly but there is no lesion.

Tethered cord syndrome, for example, is considered a functional disorder b/c there is no actual damage to the cord, it's just pulled tight: https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/tethered-cord-syndrome/

I think it does not always need to have a psychological connotation.

At least this is what I have surmised. But this is probably one for Dr. Edwards.
 
Thr paper also has a description of the process of intraoperative traction and a diagram. Attached here. View attachment 9084 View attachment 9085

It looks from the picture here that they are adjusting the head in three different planes of motion. I wonder if that is true for all patients...I am sure it depends on the measurements and what exactly is required to get to “normal.”

At a minimum, it is definitely not just fixing the head in place.
 
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One question i have is why Henderson would only use "slight traction" , like 5-10 pounds, intraoperatively, if often it takes 20-30 pounds in an ict test until patients respond. I guess this could be because od gravity and ict being done upright ?
 
One question i have is why Henderson would only use "slight traction" , like 5-10 pounds, intraoperatively, if often it takes 20-30 pounds in an ict test until patients respond. I guess this could be because od gravity and ict being done upright ?

This sounds right. Although the head is about 10 pounds.
 
One question i have is why Henderson would only use "slight traction" , like 5-10 pounds, intraoperatively, if often it takes 20-30 pounds in an ict test until patients respond. I guess this could be because od gravity and ict being done upright ?

Another possibility: Henderson fuses with only 5-10 pounds of traction because he doesn't first do an ICT test. If he did use the ICT first, he might choose to fuse with more traction.

Under how many pounds of traction does Dr. B. fuse? This could be a great question to ask Dr. B. and could shed light on Henderson's method, different intraoperative techniques, etc.
 

Puts me in mind of the 'snakeoil' salesmen that we have come into contact with over the past decades. Several of whom, when questioned, would say, 'Oh yes. We plan on a proper clinical trial.' It looked good on their websites but they never did them of course. It would eat into the profit margins. Still, I do hope this team in Spain - especially as it does affect people who are raising funds from the UK - are FORCED to comply with whatever health agency there might be over there, and publish something useful BEFORE performing any more operations on people with M.E.

Edit to add: If all this talk about ME, CCI and surgery continues, perhaps a statement should be sought from the neurologists or their agencies here in the UK. Maybe they can shed some light on why such surgeries are not being recommended at home? Perhaps, as @Jonathan Edwards says above, we don't need a clinical trial at this point, maybe it would be sufficient if neurologists could all have access to the scans and determine if the diagnosis was correct and surgery was warranted in these individuals?
 
Puts me in mind of the 'snakeoil' salesmen that we have come into contact with over the past decades. Several of whom, when questioned, would say, 'Oh yes. We plan on a proper clinical trial.' It looked good on their websites but they never did them of course. It would eat into the profit margins. Still, I do hope this team in Spain - especially as it does affect people who are raising funds from the UK - are FORCED to comply with whatever health agency there might be over there, and publish something useful BEFORE performing any more operations on people with M.E.

Edit to add: If all this talk about ME, CCI and surgery continues, perhaps a statement should be sought from the neurologists or their agencies here in the UK. Maybe they can shed some light on why such surgeries are not being recommended at home? Perhaps, as @Jonathan Edwards says above, we don't need a clinical trial at this point, maybe it would be sufficient if neurologists could all have access to the scans and determine if the diagnosis was correct and surgery was warranted in these individuals?

This is part of what is hard. Pages of explanation then, “feels like snake oil.”

People have been doing this surgery since the 1960s and in EDS, for twenty years.

I understand that most of the people commenting on this thread are in the UK or Europe and the idea of a private doctor is hard, much less a surgery that is this expensive and not covered under a national health service. I will repeat (because someone on this thread told me they had forgotten) that these surgeries in the US are covered by health insurance, including government-funded Medicare.

I will also remind everyone that Jeff and I both had tethered cord syndrome and had surgery for this condition, too. It is very difficult because you need to first a) have a hunch what might be wrong with you and b) know who to try to get to, but people with EDS have had tethered cord surgery under the NHS and in Germany, under their national health system.

People are also having surgery for Chiari malformation, cervical stenosis, Eagle’s Syndrome, and chronic spinal fluid leaks. There the pattern is the same as with tethered cord syndrome. They have to fight hard to even get the imaging but once imaged, they meet widely held criteria for surgery.

None of the treatment that has helped me is generally available in the UK for people with ME (or EDS). For better or worse, we have a different healthcare system. Please recognize that this is some of the gap.

At least some of this is about fundamental diagnostic confusion. A decent chunk of our community has EDS. I know the hEDS diagnosis has also been doubted here, but I also know at least three people with cEDS (which has a gene) who have been diagnosed since May, including two patients very involved in ME research. They know this disease well but didn’t know about EDS and never imagined they had it. Once you realize someone has a connective tissue disorder, then the clustering of these conditions starts to make sense. We do not know how many people in our community have connective tissue disorders but from what I see with my eyeballs (and what David Kaufman, Ron Davis, and Byron Hyde have seen with theirs) it’s MUCH more than you would expect at random. Hopefully there will be systematic study.

While I don’t meet the criteria for any form of EDS, tethered cord does run in my family. I’ve seen other people recognize this, too.

Anyone who says this is a cure or treatment for ME is indeed selling snake oil. NO ONE in my country has ever remotely said that. They were not even aware of our community of patients until a few months ago!

I do agree, though, that this article is very frustrating and fundamentally irresponsible. The only way for patients to improve from this surgery is if they have CCI/AAI. This is not a generic treatment for ME/CFS, but rather for a specific pathology that some people can have.
 
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PS—neurologists in general are very bad at diagnosing these conditions. I do not know why. I think they tend to treat conditions that can be managed with medications, and so are much more focused on MS and Parkinson’s. From what I’ve seen, you need to work hard with your neurologist or skip them entirely and go to a spine neurosurgeon or interventional radiologist, depending on the diagnosis. That may sound “fishy” but this can be true even of some fairly standard (if “rare”) diagnoses. For one, most neurologists only order brain MRIs and if they can’t find anything wrong, they are done with you. That has been my universal experience. They are not skilled in diagnosing many of these conditions, either by ordering the right imaging or even doing the right physical exam.
 
I’m sure @Russell Fleming can answer for himself but it is pretty clear that his comments were about that article not your posts @JenB. And you’ve just said the article he’s commented on is problematic so I don’t understand why you seem to be taking offence.

Because this is not snake oil, even if it “feels” like it is. I am not offended—was just hoping for some substantive engagement with the recent posts.

Edit: When I was here in May, so much substantive engagement was ignored or summarily dismissed, so I am sorry if I had a hair trigger reaction. The frustration lingers...for all of us. Will try to forget what happened then and since and keep an open mind!
 
My experience with a neurologist back in 1992 was positive. He ordered a lot of blood work to r/o other illnesses and sent to the hospital for various tests for vertigo. I was never sent to a spine specialist/surgeon, thank goodness.
 
Concerns about craniocervical instability surgery in ME/CFS

CCI/AAI has little in common with ME/CFS

Three ME/CFS patients, Jeff, Jennifer, and Matt, have reported improvements of their ME/CFS symptoms following surgical interventions for craniocervical instability (CCI) and atlantoaxial instability (AAI).

CCI refers to increased mobility and instability of the craniocervical junction, the transition between the spine and the skull. It normally develops as a result of physical trauma such as a car accident, an inflammation disease such as rheumatoid arthritis or a congenital disorder such as Down syndrome. [1] The main symptoms of CCI consist of severe neck pain, [2] and neurological abnormalities [3] that are quite different from the characteristic ME/CFS symptoms. Young et al. for example describe a case of CCI with chronic neck pain, headache, left-sided facial pain, and numbness. Another case example had progressive worsening of neck pain and frequent falls, which were attributed to balance issues. [4] The case report by Botelho et al. describes a man with insensibility to pain in the left hemithorax and paresis of the hands. [5] Kukrejo et al. report on 49 cases that underwent fusion surgery. The most common presenting symptoms were gait instability, motor weakness, numbness, neck pain and dysphagia (difficulties swallowing). [6] More severe forms of cervical cord compression and trauma to the spinal cord or the brainstem do not result in ME/CFS symptoms but in respiratory distress, pain, cranial nerve dysfunction, paresis and paralysis and in rare cases, sudden death. [7]

AAI refers to excessive movement at the junction between the superior vertebra of the spine. It also gives a symptom complex that is clearly distinct from ME/CFS. Clinical manifestations of AAI include neck pain, paresthesia, weakness and signs of myelopathy on examination. Other symptoms include difficulties with gait, neurogenic bladder and a lack of coordination. [8]

The EDS connection

The link between ME/CFS symptoms and CCI/AAI comes from research on patients with hereditary disorders of connective tissue such as Ehlers Danlos Syndromes (EDS). Following the publication of an influential paper on Chiari malformation and cranial settling in EDS patients in 2007 [9], there was an increase of surgeons diagnosing and treating CCI/AAI in patients with EDS.

It is worth highlighting that this research is still in its infant stages. There are very little scientific publications on CCI/AAI in EDS. According to a 2016 review by Fraser Henderson, an expert, and forerunner in the field, “there is a paucity of neurological literature referencing CCI in this group of disorders”. Opponents of these procedures argue that “radiological diagnosis of pathological instability at the cranio-cervical junction has not been clearly established in the literature for the hypermobility population.” [10]

The Henderson study

This year, Henderson and colleagues published a 5-year follow-up of 20 EDS patients treated with craniocervical stabilization surgery. [11] These were however not the average EDS-patients. They were required to have Chiari malformation, a clear indication of craniocervical instability, to suffer severe headache and/or neck pain and to have “demonstrable neurological deficits”. In addition, patients had to have a diagnosis of what is called “cervical medullary syndrome” a constellation of symptoms and signs that are thought to be caused by compression of the brain stem. According to a 2014 consensus statement [12], the clinical findings of cervical medullary syndrome are:

i) Headaches, suboccipital pain and neck pain,

ii) Bulbar and related symptoms: altered vision, diplopia, nystagmus, decreased hearing, tinnitus, imbalance, vertigo, dizziness, choking, dysarthria, dysphagia dysautonomia, postural orthostatic tachycardia, pre-syncopal or syncopal episodes disordered sleep architecture, sleep apnea,

iii) Symptoms of myelopathy: weakness, clumsiness, spasticity, altered sensation, paresthesias, dysesthesia, change in gait, constipation, urinary urgency and frequency.​

This is once again a symptom complex that is quite different from ME/CFS.

Although there were complications in some cases, the fusion surgery performed by Henderson et al. generally led to clinical improvement. Consequently, this study has been used as an example of why surgery for CCI/AAI might also work in patients with ME/CFS. The symptoms which improved most however such as vertigo, headaches, imbalance, dysarthria dizziness or frequent daytime urination were far from the characteristic symptoms of ME/CFS while fatigue, muscle pain, and IBS did not show a statistically significant improvement. The reported improvements in the trial were also not spectacular, given that this was a study without a control group. Patients improved from an average score of 53 on the Karnofsky scale to approximately 70. After 5 years there was only a small increase in work resumption: 60% of patients were still unable to work or go to school.[13] Interestingly, the reasons given by the participants for the lack of improvement in work or school status were other medical problems related to EDS such as musculoskeletal pain, fatigue, gastrointestinal issues, POTS, etc. So instead of given us an indication that CCI/IAA surgery might improve EDS-symptoms that resemble those of ME/CFS, this trial showed the exact opposite. Not only is there a lack of scientific evidence for the efficacy of CCI/IAA surgery in patients with ME/CFS, there is also no indication why this surgery would relieve ME/CFS symptoms.

Complications: occipitocervical fusion is no joke

While the benefits of CCI/IAA surgery for treating ME/CFS symptoms are unclear, the risks are obvious. This type of surgery, called occipitocervical fusion, is no joke. It reduces the range of motion of patients’ neck by approximately 30%. [11] The operation takes several hours as pedicle screws are inserted in the body to correct and stabilize the position of the cervical spine. Mattie reported that the surgeons put him on anesthesia for 14 hours and that the first days after the surgery were terrible, being in pain and unable to move or sleep. [14] Recovery is slow and estimated to last several months.

Although the outcome is generally good, the complications of occipitocervical fusion can be serious and should be taken into consideration. [1,15] According to Choi et al. common complications include screw failure, wound infection, dural tear and cerebrospinal fluid leakage. [16]. In a large review of occipitocervical fusion by Winegar et al. 2010, “surgical adverse events data were recorded for 195 (24%) of 799 cases.”[7] Although the outcomes were generally good in the trial on atlantoaxial fixation by Goel et al., one patient died because of a vertebral artery injury incurred during the operation. [17] In the study by Henderson discussed above, two subjects had superficial infections, of which one returned to the operating room for closure of the rib wound dehiscence. Mild to moderate pain at the rib harvest site was common at 2 years, although substantially abating at 5 years. The study reported that "one to four years after the craniocervical fusion, some subjects developed pain over the suboccipital instrumentation (the "screw saddles") due to tissue thinning, and requested hardware removal (8/20 subjects)."

Jeff experienced a severe infection following his occipitocervical fusion. On the Phoenix Rising forum he reported:

“Day 21 post-surgery, the swelling rapidly increased, and my incision site became bright red, inflamed, and the redness was spreading. I spiked a fever of 101.6 and went to the E.R. They admitted me for a week, got me on IV antiobiotics with a PICC line.”[18]​

Jeff needed another surgery to reopen and clean the incision site. Later he would need another revision surgery to replace 3 screws after a physical therapist twisted his neck too far. [19] Jennifer also experienced complications though it is unclear how these relate to the craniocervical fusion. She needed two extra surgeries in the lumbar spine to remove a hematoma that was compressing her spinal cord (a complication from a prior blood patch). [20]

It costs a lot of money

Another concern is the high cost. According to Jeff, Jennifer and Mattie there are only a few neurosurgeons in the world that can reliably perform these treatments. On the Phoenix Rising forum, Matt explained that it costs around 1800 euro’s to get an upright MRI-scan [21], that a consultation with one of these surgeons takes 250-300 euro’s [22] and that the actual fusion surgery costs approximately 70.000 euro’s in Spain and probably more in the United States. [23] Online fundraisers of patients trying to raise 100.000 euro for CCI/IAA surgery in the hope of recovering from ME/CFS, already exist. [24]

Are these surgeons reliable?

There is a third concern about these surgeries. If only a few neurosurgeons in the world are believed to perform the craniocervical/atlantoaxial fusion surgery in patients with ME/CFS reliably, one might ask what makes them so unique. Do they have unique skill and expertise, or are they more aggressive in pushing the limits of surgery? Most have private practices, meaning they likely experience a financial incentive to perform more surgeries.

In 2016, multiple media outlets reported that three patients had filled malpractice lawsuits against Paulo Bolognese, the neurosurgeon that performed Jeff’s fusion surgery. The three women claimed Dr. Bolognese either “gave them unnecessary surgeries or botched their treatment to the point they ended up in worse shape than when they first visited him.” According to mersonlaw, Dr. Bolognese had already been suspended by North Shore in 2010 “for allegedly failing to show up on time for a patient who was anesthetized for surgery — and has been sued at least 20 times over his medical care.” [25] I do not have the necessary information to judge these litigations. I do think it’s important that patients are correctly informed about the fact that some former clients think this neurosurgeon has performed unnecessary and inadequate surgeries on them.

A noticeable disclaimer

Given the information provided above, I would advise Jeff, Jennifer and Matt to add a noticeable disclaimer to the interesting and courageous blog posts they write about their past surgeries and current recovery process. The disclaimer should inform readers that:

(1) The clinical picture of CCI is quite different from ME/CFS.

(2) There is no scientific evidence to suggest that CCI/AAI surgery relieves ME/CFS symptoms.

(3) CCI/AAI surgery costs tens of thousands of euro’s and has severe complications including screw failure, wound infection, dural tear and cerebrospinal fluid leakage.

EDIT 1: In the text, I sometimes used the incorrect abbreviation 'ICC' instead of the correct abbreviation for craniocervical instability: CCI. This has now been corrected. Thanks to @BruceInOz for noticing this.

EDIT 2: One quote of the Henderson study was incomplete. In a previous version of this text the words (the "screw saddles") were left out of the following sentence: "one to four years after the craniocervical fusion, some subjects developed pain over the suboccipital instrumentation (the "screw saddles") due to tissue thinning, and requested hardware removal (8/20 subjects)" This has now been corrected.

EDIT 3: Mattie has pointed out that thus far, 3 months after his surgery, he has gone from severe to moderate ME and that this doesn't classify as spectacular. The first sentence: "Three ME/CFS patients, Jeff, Jennifer, and Matt, have reported spectacular improvements..." was therefore corrected to remove the word spectacular.

EDIT 4: I've added the following section "Although the outcome is generally good" to the sentence: "the complications of occipitocervical fusion can be serious and should be taken into consideration."

EDIT 5: The sentence "Patients with CCI/AAI suffer from symptoms that are clearly distinct from the symptoms of ME/CFS." has been changed into "The clinical picture of CCI is quite different from ME/CFS” as some readers found the original version confusing.

Could you update this with the information from the largest metastudy @Michiel Tack?

This one, 2274 surgeries, zero deaths:

https://academic.oup.com/neurosurgery/article-abstract/67/5/1396/2563905?redirectedFrom=fulltext

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You might also note in the n=779 study you quote that 81.58% of patients had improvement in neurological outcomes. This is a little more concrete than the Goel study, about which you remark that outcomes are “generally good.”

Many surgeries carry some risk of death but the n=2274 study had a 0% death rate and the n=779 study, 0.06%. I think this is more helpful than saying “someone died” because of how easy it is to see a single death but not the N.

It is also worth noting that the complication rate in EDS patients is likely much higher due to the connective tissue disorder but that it is unknown what it is in people with ME who do not also have EDS.

I have no idea why Mattie was under anesthesia for 14 hours. Jeff and I were both under for 8. That seems to be the typical time.

Also, you can choose to use your own rib but I think cadaver bone is the standard of care, at least among US surgeons. I don’t personally know anyone who had a rib harvest.

It’s also worth noting that “informed consent” prior to surgery (at least in the US, cannot speak to Barcelona) goes much deeper than all this. If you actually have surgery, you’ll learn and be informed of all this and more.

And re: “costs a lot of money” it might be worth nothing (if this is an international board) that it is generally free or at minimal cost if you live in the US and have Medicare or private insurance.

Finally, I am not sure that “distinct from ME/CFS” is exactly right. Some symptoms overlap, as is clear from the Venn Diagrams. I had neurogenic bladder due to tethered cord syndrome. The symptoms of neurogenic bladder are mentioned in the ICC, for example. As are gait abnormalities, lack of coordination and dizziness. Still other CCI symptoms like tinnitus and parasthesia are mentioned by Ramsay.

I absolutely had symptoms of nerve compression, like numbness, that should have been investigated more deeply. However, there is enough overlap in symptoms that it should not be surprising how I could be diagnosed with ME by seven different US specialists over the years.

Thanks!
 
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My experience with a neurologist back in 1992 was positive. He ordered a lot of blood work to r/o other illnesses and sent to the hospital for various tests for vertigo. I was never sent to a spine specialist/surgeon, thank goodness.

That’s so fortunate. Mine diagnosed me with conversion disorder when I actually had craniocervical instability and tethered cord syndrome. So I walked home, collapsed and was bedridden for the next several months.

Obviously, if you did have a spine condition you would want to be referred to a spine specialist. I assume this was properly ruled out. You are fortunate to not have problems with your spine—they can be quite debilitating!
 
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