PIP claimants - email your experiences of the process to Laura Pidcock MP before Westminster debate next Wednesday

Physio has noted that friend worked as a self-employed builder ...
What she actually said was that she used to do some of the admin for her husband who is a self-employed builder.......!!!!!!
If she could not get that right how many other errors are there?

Even when they get the details right, they still fix the results. Atos must have been set targets to refuse benefits by the DWP, despite the denials: my assessor actually wrote down everything I told her accurately, which should have given me about eleventy billion points, but then scored me more or less fit :rolleyes:

The report was so outrageous that even the DWP couldn't face taking it to tribunal. They sent it straight back to Atos with a request that they rethink :whistle:
 
It's not new here in the UK. Back in 2004 I had to go through the appeals process for Incapacity Benefit, as it was called then. The doctor who did the medical seemed really nice and sympathetic, but completely trashed me in the report, writing things that were the opposite of what I said. My official complaint was rejected, it was my word against his.

After an extremely stressful 6 month wait for the appeal, the appeal panel (a doctor and a lawyer) took one look at me drooping on the chair and asked just enough questions to get me the points I needed to get the benefit. They were really kind and concerned.

And yet, last year, expecting the worst, I had a nurse doing the medical for PIP who must have recorded my answers correctly and written an accurate report, as I got the benefit without having to go to appeal. Go figure. I think it largely depends on the integrity of the person carrying out the medical.
 
So sorry to hear, but sadly not surprised, how badly the experience of applying for PIP has affected you Liv. :hug: It is an inhumane system designed to cut down on the number of claimants. The short time span is particularly cruel, as is the length of the form and the ridiculous questions designed to catch you out particularly if you have a fluctuating illness.

I don't think I've ever completed a DLA or ESA renewal without it causing a relapse. Once you are relying on the income the fear of losing it is very frightening. I take supplements that I know for sure help with some symptoms (L-Carnitine, Vegepa, CoQ10 etc) if I lose my DLA I would not be able to afford them, so my quality of life would suffer hugely.

Last time I had to renew my ESA I paid to see Dr Weir privately, as his word carries a lot of weight in the benefits world. He fights in the courts for many of his patients and has a fearsome reputation for winning. I was living in Sussex then though so he was more accessible. Would it be possible to see if he could send you some supporting evidence, I'm sure you said you saw him in the past?

Sending warm, gentle hugs :hug::hug:, I hope the relapse does not last too long and that it is temporary. The only consolation is that the ESA form is slightly shorter and should be easier after filling in the PIP one.
 
I did this, as follows fyi.
Dear Laura, thankyou for securing a debate on PIP in Westminster Hall.

I understand the debate focusses on claimant experience. I want to comment that mine echoed the burocratic obfuscation evident in “I, Daniel Blake” which was a very literal depiction of the benefits process in the UK at the time (Jul 2016- Apr 2017) and not exaggerated. I did make a submission to the Work and Pensions Committee inquiry into PIP and ESA.

I am an Oxford university biosciences (zoology) graduate and have had ME CFIDS since 1986 during my degree when I was forced to take an extra year to prepare for finals. I never recovered and spent a decade in dire poverty, unable to work, before diagnosis. I am now under the care of Dr Sarah Myhill who specialises in helping patients with this kind of illness as a private GP. I hope you were able to attend the parliamentary screening of the “Unrest” documentary recently. My condition is primarily immunological but still not well understood by anyone, yet my illness is very real and very debilitating, both physically and neurocognitively.

The salient fact of my PIP experience is that I was forced to go to appeal without any help at all, (as the local advice shop people were too stretched) at considerable detriment to my health, to see my appeal upheld allowed on the papers, based on my doctor’s written evidence, which my assessor had from the very beginning, before the initial assessment interview. In other words I was misassessed and not for the first time, as this happened to me before in 2002.

The evidence I provided in good faith was ignored. There was evidence my written submission had not even been read. Moreover the assessment report in my case was provably self contradictory giving indications of inconsistent adjustments motivated by an apparent intent to reduce the monetary value of my award i.e. malfeasance hiding behind incompetence.

The Mandatory reconsideration likewise entirely failed to reconsider my doctor’s evidence, which given the explicit clarity of the evidence written by a doctor with experience of assisting with benefits assessment, indicates that the reconsideration process was disingenuous. It seems designed to give the appearance of reconsideration without providing a fair hearing and provides a further obstacle which has the intent of “weeding out” claimants by discouragement.

The HMCTS tribunal awarded enhanced mobility and standard daily living with a review date in 2021 instead of standard mobility until 2018.

Only the HMCTS tribunal provided a fair hearing, everything under DWP influence was biased against genuine claimants with the apparent intent of reducing the benefits bill.

My PIP assessment forced me into stressful contention with an unfair system which has had a detrimental affect on the disease progression i.e. my illness is more severe now due to the affects of stress due to appealing PIP and having to work so hard under time constraint to understand the rules and make my case in writing.

What I want to say is that PIP assessment is biased to the DWPs political and financial agenda when it should be a fair inquiry from the outset. This bias proceeds out of a Chomskyan pressure on the companies outsourced to do the assessments to earn the approbation of the DWP and repeat contracts. A similar pressure is evident in the decisions of DWP decisions makers processing mandatory reconsiderations.

Furthermore the harassment of claimants by disingenuous assessments and reconsiderations and overly frequent repetition of assessments evinces a governmental resent of the disabled and criminalises all claimants to victimise the weak under the guise of the polemics of austerity. This and an historic press campaign focussing on benefits malfeasance resulted in a measurable increase in disability hate crime in the country as a whole to such an extent that I have been afraid to ask for or use a blue badge. This is why I say the attitudes emanating from authority have been unconscionable and disgraceful and degrading to peace and the rule of law in our land.

Regarding party politics neither of the two major parties hands are clean in this matter and it behooves the fair minded in both parties to work across party boundaries to overcome the political short-sightedness behind these phenomena and clean up our act to treat the ill and disabled fairly and with compassion and encourage such attitudes in the press and among the public at large.

I hope all participating in the debate at Westminster Hall will be encouraged to reflect on the purpose of common morality in justice and governance and the responsibility of leadership to the nation.

Many thanks for your efforts, yours sincerely, Richard ... etc
 
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Excellent email @boolybooly.

I have today gone thro' the assessment decision letter and the assessment report and will be typing this up tomorrow. There are over 20 points to be raised on the decision narrative alone.

This, incidentally is typed as one block covering about 1.3 A4 sides. There are not even any paragraphs! She does manage full stops.

We plan to phone on Tues am and cover the major errors/queries on speakerphone so that my friend, her husband and I can all contribute.
Though tempting, it is unlikely that we will cover all the queries.
We do not want to be unreasonable, but need to emphasise that we will proceed as far as required.

The full list of queries/contradictions/errors and "How on earth did you reach that conclusion from what was said"/"Do the assessor/decision maker/anyone in your department know anything about ME?" will be included as an attachment to the email to Laura Pidcock MP.
 
However it is gut-wrenching for the claimant to see her words twisted/ignored/blatantly misconstrued.
It's as if the interviews should be formally recorded the same as police interviews, with both parties having a copy of the recording. That's how they got to grips with people's words being twisted by vested interests.

Edit: I see @Invisible Woman got there before me.
 
I've just read on the benefitsandwork.co.uk info that recording of an ESA medical assessment can be requested, which is confusing.

In my info you can ask to record a PIP assessment but only if there is a machine which can produce two identical digital copies at the end of the interview?

No, we did not have one of those available. Maybe each local ME group could club together and loan one out to all PIP claimants in their area. Should cover initial outlay pretty quickly.
 
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I've just read on the benefitsandwork.co.uk info that recording of an ESA medical assessment can be requested, which is confusing.

In my info you can ask to record a PIP assessment but only if there is a machine which can produce two identical digital copies at the end of the interview?

No, we did not have one of those available. Maybe each local ME group could club together and loan one out to all PIP claimants in their area. Should cover initial outlay pretty quickly.

Now, I don't know that this is actually true: they used to say you needed to provide 2 identical tape recordings simultaneously, but I have heard that this is no longer the case. Two simultaneous digital recordings is acceptable. I'll see if I can find out more

ETA: some further enquires - the person saw a program on the BBC a while ago and thinks there might be something about it on a website. Essentially, some test centres were more understanding/lenient than others. Some deliberately tried to stop recordings, some would only allow machines that would record on 2 tapes simultaneously, others would allow 2 tape machines as long as the records buttons on both were pressed simultaneously........

In other words: the usual confusing mess.
 
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Thank you, @Invisible Woman
I will try and ascertain the ATOS view from the duty manager on Tues, if he has the stamina to answer all our questions!
Obviously the priority at this stage is to get back my friend's full mobility allowance, preferably without going to the tribunal stage as it is unnecessary toll on her health and unnecessary expense for taxpayers.

Be warned, if you tell 'em the call is being recorded they are likely to terminate it. This would definitely go against your friend's best interests, I think.

Yoou could raise it as a question for future reference maybe?
 
Things are so bad I wonder what would happen if you just did no comment to all the questions (probably rejection for not co operating) you could say you were worried it was going to be unfair and illegal,take months to put right and may kill you so silence was sensible
 
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