Petition: S4ME 2023 - Cochrane: Withdraw the harmful 2019 Exercise therapy for CFS review

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  1. Sean

    Sean Moderator Staff Member

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    Particularly in light of the fact that they don't really seem to be grasping the core problem of methodology, or even want to.
     
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  2. Caroline Struthers

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    I don't Hilda think is independent any more as she has recently been awarded membership of Cochrane https://www.cochrane.org/news/cochrane-lifetime-and-emeritus-members. She was always very quick to say she was suitable for the role because she wasn't a member of the organisation any more (having left because of their lack of progress on open access), although she was a founder member.
     
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  3. Caroline Struthers

    Caroline Struthers Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Is it me, or do you think COPE is getting a bit desperate?

    From: COPE
    Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2024 am
    To: Caroline Struthers
    Subject: Concerns raised to COPE regarding Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews

    Dear Caroline,

    I am writing in relation to your latest submission to COPE about Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews.

    We have looked over the submission and note that it relates to the complaints procedure in place at Cochrane to handle complaints about staff or Cochrane group members, and not to matters related to publications in the journal. As a result, the matter you submitted does not relate to publication ethics but rather to governance at Cochrane. Such matters are beyond the scope of what the Facilitation and Integrity subcommittee can comment on and thus, we cannot review this matter.

    Sincerely,

    ***

    From: Me
    Sent: Sunday February 18, 2024 pm
    To: COPE

    Dear ***

    Cochrane produces a journal, the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews. I made an allegation that the Editor in Chief of that journal acted unethically in relation to the publication of an article in that journal. This is an allegation of publication misconduct, which is covered by COPE’s code of practice for journals. https://publicationethics.org/misconduct

    You rightly say that Cochrane, whose staff include the Editor-in-Chief of the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, has no procedure for investigating allegations of publication misconduct, despite it being a Core Practice for all journals set out by your organisation. Is this acceptable? Please ask the Facilitation and Integrity Subcommittee to comment on this or explain why it is acceptable and/or beyond their scope.

    With best wishes

    Caroline
     
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  4. Peter Trewhitt

    Peter Trewhitt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Ever more Kafkaesque.
     
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  5. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Lesser known in the anglo world, but this is so like The 12 tasks of Asterix / Les 12 travaux d'Asterix. Everyone seems to be suffering from notmydepartmentitis.

    So, who is in charge of handling complaints about COPE not properly handling complaints about Cochrane not properly handling complaints about not properly handling complaints?
     
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  6. Peter Trewhitt

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    Definitely a more apposite literary reference.
     
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  7. NelliePledge

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  8. Andy

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    Action for ME Twitter account report that
    "The APPG has agreed to sign the S4ME open letter to Cochrane requesting urgent action to be taken on the 2019 ME/CFS Exercise Therapy Review"

     
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  10. Peter Trewhitt

    Peter Trewhitt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Great news!
     
  11. Binkie4

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    Are they signing petition? Or open letter? Or both?


    edit: apologies. I see it is the open letter.
     
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  12. Ash

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    Amazing news really! :emoji_beers:
     
  13. Andy

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    Just to highlight that the link in this section of the update is broken,
    "An update from the Cochrane IAG
    There was an update from Cochrane's Independent Advisory Group for the planned new review on 20 December 2023 - available here "
     
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  15. Hutan

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  16. NelliePledge

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    Thanks to the APPG who have been added to the list of signatory groups/organisations, now standing at 70.
     
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  17. Ash

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    Fine work everyone who got us to 70!!! :balloons:
     
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  18. Joan Crawford

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    Hi,

    I've had a look at group signatures and I cannot see the Chester MESH self help group.

    Can this organisation be added please?

    Can you let me know the procedure for groups and organisations to sign and I can share.

    Many thanks
    Joan
     
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  19. NelliePledge

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    Hi @Joan Crawford. We did contact a lot of UK groups through ME Local which is included in signatory list not sure if that includes Chester? But we’ve also got groups that signed up in their own name. Happy to add Chester to the list based on your request nothing further needed.
     
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