Petition: Don't let vested interests perpetuate harmful treatments for ME/CFS!

Sly Saint

Senior Member (Voting Rights)
ME/CFS strikes 1 in 250 of us. It is a devastating illness, more disabling than angina or multiple sclerosis. Three quarters of sufferers are too ill to work or pursue education; a quarter are house- or bed-bound. Hundreds of thousands of lives are ruined; people who could otherwise be contributing to their communities are dependent on family or on the state. The cost to the economy is estimated to be £6.4 billion per year. Most who develop it never recover completely, although careful lifestyle management can help significantly.

Since 2007 the NICE guidelines on the treatment and care of people living with ME/CFS have been based on a flawed model of psychological causation - 'It's all in your head'. But medical research both before and since has produced plentiful evidence that the illness is very physical indeed. The body's energy production is seriously impaired; blood flow, particularly to the brain, is disrupted; the autonomic nervous system malfunctions; its presence can be detected by blood tests. The condition typically onsets after a viral infection, and it is increasingly clear that "Long COVID" involving crushing fatigue, a worsening of symptoms after exertion, and cognitive impairment ("brain fog") is ME/CFS produced by the SARS-COV-2 virus.

The old NICE guidelines prescribe cognitive behaviour therapy (CBT) and graded exercise therapy, or GET. This is based on the theory that one has to correct sufferers' "erroneous" belief that they are really ill, and an escalating programme of physical exertion to overcome supposed deconditioning. While CBT, properly applied, can support the well-being of chronically-ill people, patient surveys show that it does not relieve ME/CFS.

GET is more pernicious. One of the cardinal symptoms of ME/CFS is post exertional malaise (PEM): the illness is made worse by exertion. GET, involving constantly-escalating exertion, could have been tailor-made to worsen the illness!

NICE is now revising its guidelines. In the recently-published version, GET is specifically excluded from treatment, and CBT is no longer portrayed as a cure. The committee of 16 health professionals and 5 lay members painstakingly reviewed the evidence before coming to their conclusions.

So far, this represents enormous progress. Sufferers may no longer be told their illness is imaginary, nor offered "treatments" which either do not treat the illness or make it worse.

However a coterie of professionals, mainly psychiatrists, is so attached to the discredited psychological theory that they refuse to accept the changes: three members of the NICE committee have resigned. An egregious article in the British Medical Journal has suggested that the NICE committee is dominated by patients who are anti-science and ignoring the evidence. In fact, as painstaking research by NICE has shown, the evidence for GET is 'poor or very poor', as is the evidence that CBT cures ME/CFS.

The timing of the resignations and the article is not coincidence. It is an attempt to discredit NICE's work on ideological grounds. It would be a bitter blow if ME/CFS sufferers, gas-lighted for decades, should be robbed of justice at the last moment. The revised guidelines are due for release later this month - support our cause and vote to make sure they go ahead!

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Dirty tricks force NICE to cancel launch of new guidelines

Mark Harper
Cambridge, ENG, United Kingdom
17 Aug 2021 —

NICE has today announced that it will 'pause' the new guidelines and try to get the support of "professionals and the NHS" https://tinyurl.com/jc2kjdt9

The GET/CBT psychologists have been working hard in the shadows and now they have won a victory. If we don't fight, they will succeed in perpetuating their baseless theories and snake-oil 'treatments'. That will mean continued gaslighting ("hysterical", "hypochondriac" are just two of the epithets that have been thrown at us) and being subjected to harmful treatment.

It's more important than ever to fight this. Please share this petition! We will only be heard if we shout!"

original petition page:
https://www.change.org/p/national-i...erail-the-review-of-nice-guidelines-on-me-cfs

update page
https://www.change.org/p/national-i...eview-of-nice-guidelines-on-me-cfs/u/29474574

eta: posted this yesterday as I was a little bit angry about the news re the guidelines. :angelic:

eta2:
please consider signing the new petition set up by #MEAction
https://www.change.org/p/the-nation...-the-nice-me-cfs-guideline-now?redirect=false
 
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I'm not sure what the petition is for, apart from venting. It doesn't have a goal like e.g. #ReleaseTheGuidelines based on clear arguments like it's not in patients interest and against NICE procedure to do this, and it was forced from outside against scientific analysis. What does it want to achieve?

EDIT: My bad, I thought I was looking at a new petition, not an update on an existing one. (See post #6 below)
 
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I'm not sure what the petition is for, apart from venting. It doesn't have a goal like e.g. #ReleaseTheGuidelines based on clear arguments like it's not in patients interest and against NICE procedure to do this, and it was forced from outside against scientific analysis. What does it want to achieve?
I think it shows patients are in favour of the draft guidelines as they saw them, which shows that it is not a small minority of patients opposing GET and 'CBT for CFS'. I don't expect every patient to have the depth of knowledge we have on the forum, and you also need to take into account the petition was drawn up before NICE actually announced it was going to 'pause' publication of the guideline, so actually pre-empted what most of us weren't prepared for.

The revised guidelines are due for release later this month - support our cause and vote to make sure they go ahead!

So they are really just asking for you to vote that the final guidelines are published (as is, without further amendments).
 
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The local Cambridge group that set up this petition a couple of weeks ago were certainly more prescient than I initially realised. Their prognostications of doom have come true.

Here is a Cambridge local news article from a week ago

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/cambridge-me-patients-dirty-tricks-21290047
I can't help wonder if someone in this group maybe knew someone who new someone, to have gained this insight so early. Was it all simply sharp perceptions? Or was there an informed ear to the right bit of ground? If so then would it be worth approaching this group, to see if any insights as to who might have been leant on by who?
 
other articles by Dr Mark Harper who set up the petition:

ME battle ‘must not be repeated with long Covid’, says chair of Cambridge support group
The battles faced by sufferers of ME (myalgic encephalomyelitis) should not be refought by long Covid patients, says Dr Mark Harper, chair of the Cambridge ME Support Group, ahead of International ME Awareness Day on May 12.
“ME is a serious neurological disorder but medical education is way behind the times,” says Mark of the treatment pathway. “There’s no cure or effective treatment as yet, but it’s demoralising to be told they’re faking it. A quarter of our members are pretty much bedbound most of the time: three-quarters of them can’t work.”

Mark was the managing director of a consultancy called Cambridge Applied Physics, a company he had joined in 1995.

“I’m a physicist,” he says. “I got ME in the 80s, in my 30s. I caught chicken pox from my kids, then got what seemed to be post-viral disease, and it didn’t pass.

“As I’ve got older the disease has got worse, and I had to retire. I started the support group for people with ME. It’s mainly social as people with ME don’t go out, and it can be a humiliating and degrading situation with GPs. Half of the GPs don’t believe it’s a real disease.
https://www.cambridgeindependent.co...-repeated-with-long-covid-says-chair-9198471/

more personal story
https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/health/me-cfs-personal-story-20562798
 
I can't help wonder if someone in this group maybe knew someone who new someone, to have gained this insight so early. Was it all simply sharp perceptions? Or was there an informed ear to the right bit of ground? If so then would it be worth approaching this group, to see if any insights as to who might have been leant on by who?
https://cambridgeme.org.uk/contact/

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I have contacted them
 
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I don’t like the way this petition centres its argument so much around the psychological “all in your head”. If ME was shown to be psychogenic and the therapies worked I would bite their hand off to do them until I was well.

(As we know the key issue re NICE is that the therapies offered by the NHS are supported by (very) low quality evidence that demonstrates no improvement beyond what might be from placebo and spontaneous improvement)

Signed despite reservations.
 
Petition update
Petition passes 6,000 signatures

Mark Harper
Cambridge, ENG, United Kingdom
20 Aug 2021 —

I've emailed the NICE committee as follows:

Dear committee members,

The petition from our local Cambridge group now has over 6,000 signatures. This petition, urging you not to be deflected from publishing, will I hope give you a sense of the strength of feeling among sufferers from ME/CFS.

For decades we have been maltreated and traduced. We have been looking forward to the new guidelines as a huge step towards being taken seriously by the health profession and obtaining decent, evidence-based treatment. It is heart-breaking to have this lifeline snatched away from us at the very last minute.

Please do not allow yourselves to be bullied into submission by vested interests in the medical establishment! These people are careless of the evidence and, it seems, of the health and well-being of patients.

Publish!

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