Paul Garner on Long Covid and ME/CFS - BMJ articles and other media.

[Peter T]

It’s quixotic.

He is a retired professor of infectious diseases, presumably well versed in the scientific method who is advocating a treatment approach for an entire patient group based on personal anecdote without addressing the established literature.

 

[Mij]

His quasi history/story is a mix of dengue fever and Covid infection while on holidays somewhere. Hard to keep track.

 

[MrMagoo]

Pretty distinctive Rolex hand tattoo on the photo. Was quite common in Latino gangs, so I understand.

Professor Paul Garner was delighted to recover from long Covid. Then the death threats began

How a respected public health professional became entangled in an ugly battle with online activists

www.livpost.co.uk

 

[Sly Saint]

Did he have Covid and long Covid or did he have ME/CFS?

This is the problem with the 'hurry' for people to get an ME/CFS diagnosis. Most descriptions of ME/CFS begin with something like "ME/CFS (Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) is a chronic, debilitating illness characterized by profound fatigue, post-exertional malaise, and multi-system symptoms that significantly impair daily functioning."

Chronic is the key word here. If you 'recover' a couple of months after a diagnosis, then presumably the diagnosis was wrong(?)

 

[MrMagoo]

This is the problem with the 'hurry' for people to get an ME/CFS diagnosis. Most descriptions of ME/CFS begin with something like "ME/CFS (Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) is a chronic, debilitating illness characterized by profound fatigue, post-exertional malaise, and multi-system symptoms that significantly impair daily functioning."

Chronic is the key word here. If you 'recover' a couple of months after a diagnosis, then presumably the diagnosis was wrong(?)

He says that he was told he met the Canadian Consensus Criteia for ME. He wasn’t diagnosed. He really should have got himself referred if he was concerned, but then he recovered so I guess there wasn’t time.

 

[Sly Saint]

He says that he was told he met the Canadian Consensus Criteia for ME. He wasn’t diagnosed.

So he can't say he recovered from ME.
Unless there is a foolproof biomarker test involved, people can meet the diagnostic criteria for all sorts of things.
They don't then go around claiming they've recovered from if they get better, and therefore other people with it can as well.

 

[MrMagoo]

So he can't say he recovered from ME.
Unless there is a foolproof biomarker test involved, people can meet the diagnostic criteria for all sorts of things.
They don't then go around claiming they've recovered from if they get better, and therefore other people with it can as well.

And yet, he does. It’s fascinating.

 

[Felis Catus]

It's like feeling sick after eating a hot cross bun once and then claiming you recovered from gluten intolerance because ever since you've been able to eat anything with gluten without any repercussions.

 

[rvallee]

And yet, he does. It’s fascinating.

Same guy who would personally insist, along with his whole coterie, that someone meeting ME/CFS clinical criteria means nothing, and yet his whole argument rests entirely on that. Self-diagnosis, too.

Ridicule has no guest limit, once you've got one inside they're all invited to the party.

 

[MrMagoo]

Same guy who would personally, along with his whole coterie, that meeting the clinical criteria means nothing, and yet his whole argument rests entirely on that. Self-diagnosis, too.

Ridicule has no guest limit, once you've got one inside they're all invited to the party.

It’s cognitive dissonance but squared? Cubed?