yeah, I assume that's me.
Does anyone know or remember which month he was already walking 5K, and when he had his phone call with the unnamed Norwegian doctoral student?
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Paul Garner on Long Covid and ME/CFS - BMJ articles and other media.
yeah, I assume that's me.
Does anyone know or remember which month he was already walking 5K, and when he had his phone call with the unnamed Norwegian doctoral student?
Does it matter? Isn't he best ignored? If we ask questions like this to try to get the details of his story straight, doesn't that imply it matters?
Whether an individual had long covid for 6 months or a year before recovering doesn't make their fantasy about why the recovered a useful piece of scientific evidence. It's still just one person's anecdote.
At least in this latest version there's an excellent response from Charles Shepherd.
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Jonathan Edwards
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I think I may write Garner a personal letter/email. He is making such a fool of himself but also of his profession. I am thinking of doing my UCL departmental seminar this next academic year on the Cochrane Conspiracy, in which he is likely to feature.
Please do. Would there be any chance of making your seminar on the Cochrane conspiracy into a published paper?
Sasha
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Or livestreaming it...
Mij
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He is responding to an article written about Ron Davis here:
Irresponsible comment. 19 recovered patients wrote in the BMJ recently "opposite message—that there is no hope without a future biomedical cure—can also be harmful. The nocebo effect, where negative expectations can exacerbate symptoms or impair recovery, is well documented, and its impact is especially strong when shaped by medical authorities"
Irresponsible comment. 19 recovered patients wrote in the BMJ recently "opposite message—that there is no hope without a future biomedical cure—can also be harmful. The nocebo effect, where negative expectations can exacerbate symptoms or impair recovery, is well documented, and its impact is especially strong when shaped by medical authorities"
MrMagoo
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Yes he was already doing that by Aug/Sept, he was running 8k
Utsikt
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That one made me chuckle when I read it!“There are others who have... ...developed a post Covid psychiatric illness.”
Can't imagine who he might be thinking of.
Utsikt
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Please and thank you!
Jonathan Edwards
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I could do a Qeios paper on the Cochrane Conspiracy. Could be fun.
Sasha
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This is where we need something bigger than a 'Like' button.
Jesse
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A paid super like! Proceeds go to the S4ME research fund.
Would this not be a case where it might be useful to have such a thing published in a journal? Those familar with the dilemma have already understood the problem and those that haven't cared about it see little need to care about it as it's "conspiratory online communities vs people with authority" and cochrane clearly doesn't care about these "online people" in the first place.
Jonathan Edwards
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Qeios is a journal.
If you mean a professional journal that is read by grass roots medics while they are their sandwiches between clinics I doubt such practice has existed for many years.
'Respectable' journals will of course reject any critique of Cochrane. There is no point banging ones head against the fence to the dinosaur enclosure!
Yes please. I'm sure members would be happy to contribute ideas, references and editing suggestions if you want them.
MrMagoo
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Oh please do reference the blog post in the early phase, say April-July 2020 ish, where he refers to looking to Cochrane and it not being of use (I’m paraphrasing)
I think it does matter if it's clear that someone's story itself doesn't hold water according to their own timeline. Of course an anecdotal account is meaningless, but an anecdotal account that can't be true is even more meaningless. Whether he is best ignored is a separate question.