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Patient: "The latest thinking on chronic fatigue syndrome"

Discussion in 'General Advocacy Discussions' started by Andy, Dec 21, 2018.

  1. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Clearly she hasn't bothered herself with any due diligence by applying herself to research the latest evidence or she'd know what a pile of bollocks she's talking.
     
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  2. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yes, some journalism does have a way of taking what someone says and then processing it so it sounds more like what they think their readers might prefer to read, with little care for what was actually said, nor how it was said.
     
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  3. James Morris-Lent

    James Morris-Lent Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    That's too generous of an interpretation.
     
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  4. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I don't actually think this is journalism. It is advertising.
     
  5. large donner

    large donner Guest

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    Why so many words? Isn't this a Tommy Cooper joke about a man who goes to the doctor and says doc it hurts when I do this and the doc goes, don't do it then.
     
  6. Milo

    Milo Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The amount of bull**** available online is unbelievable. And when these article are promoted and make it onto mainstream media, people believe it like religion.

    That Reverse Therapy looks like a derivative of CBT without calling it CBT. Psychology and behaviors therapies will not cure any ME patients.

    We need good science. Biomarkers. Hopefully clinical trials soon.
     
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  7. NelliePledge

    NelliePledge Moderator Staff Member

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    This
     
  8. Arnie Pye

    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    My NHS GP surgery uses patient.info as their source of information to print out for patients. I've been handed articles from there about four or five times over the last few years.
     
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  9. NelliePledge

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    Yes I had that from a GP too
     
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  10. Sean

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    Why?

    You'd think after thirty years of failure they would have discovered at least a little humility about their relevance. But no, they just go on indulging their empire building and inserting themselves and their ideas into our lives, ever more certain in their obvious ignorance.

    Since when has education been a therapy?

    If I am in a strange town and hungry but don't know where to find the supermarket, is that just lack of relevant knowledge or a 'pathology' that needs 'therapy'? Does a local resident informing me where to find the supermarket constitute a therapy?
     
  11. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It may do if they have no idea where it is but still give advice!
     
  12. Invisible Woman

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    This phrase has caused me bother in the past:

    i was being assessed. The assessor probably thought it was a nice gentle chat, to me it was like a gruelling mental workout and about an hour in she says something along the lines of:

    "If rest doesn't alleviate symptoms then why rest? Surely, you should just try to carry on? Excessive rest is bad for you......"

    From somewhere I still had enough cognitive spoons to make the points -

    "Rest may not make me feel better, but it helps slow, if not stop, me getting worse. If I try to carry on without rest I usually end up black and blue with bruises, cause lots of accidents and breakages.

    I don't actually like resting and I sometimes need to sleep when I rest. If I sleep during the day when I need to then, contrary to popular opinion, I am more likely to be able to sleep at night. Attempting to push through makes everything, including insomnia, worse.

    I feel awful for an hour or more after I wake, but it's still better than how I would feel if I didn't rest."

    I also asked her to define excessive rest. She didn't.

    I think they way the MEA and charities talk about rest needs to be reviewed. It's misleading and makes it sound like an unnecessary luxury, rather than a vital, if unwanted, necessity.
     
  13. chrisb

    chrisb Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    What they seem not to understand is that rest is not optional. It is forced upon one. Without it one will come to a complete halt in an uncontrolled situation.
     
  14. Unable

    Unable Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yes! To this and @Invisible Woman
     
  15. ladycatlover

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    Oddly enough I had a Christmas email from them this morning. They are part of EMIS, which provides some services to my GP practice. Booking appointments, ordering repeat prescriptions. On the website you use for that it seems they offer results of investigations too, but I can't access my results. I'll be asking my GP next time I see her, as I'd like to have copies of blood tests etc to both track for myself and to have available next time I need to fill in the blasted PIP forms. (fortunately I have over 7 years before that comes up again, touch wood!)

    Then there's a series of links to articles to read...

    What it’s like to give birth on Christmas Day
    How to avoid indigestion

    What does burping say about your health?
    What binge-watching is doing to your health
    How to get your children to go to sleep

    Do you really need to walk 10,000 steps a day?

    Here's the stuff off the bottom of the email:
     
  16. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The 'not relieved by rest' thing is on the current CDC CFS page says:

    https://www.cdc.gov/me-cfs/symptoms-diagnosis/symptoms.html

    Is it from a part of the Fukuda criteria that keeps being misunderstood?:

    "is not substantially alleviated by rest"

    https://me-pedia.org/wiki/Fukuda_criteria
     
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  17. Sean

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    'not relieved by rest'

    I think that simply means it is not fully resolved by rest (or sleep) as it would be in a normal healthy person, not that rest isn't helpful or unnecessary.
     
  18. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yes, but it often seems to get misinterpreted.
     
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