News from The Netherlands

don't know how new this is:

Research project

Topic: Persistent physical symptoms

https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/e...l-sciences/topic-persistent-physical-symptoms

 

This makes me shudder, deep in the BPS-cult.

 

I don't know any more

From: Dr. Marc-Alexander Fluks

Dutch Government recognizes FM

Letter to parliament: Recognize Fibromyalgia (Google translation),

https://www-rijksoverheid-nl.transl..._sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp

and also (Google translation),

https://www-rijksoverheid-nl.transl..._sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Both pages to link to a pdf page but tese do not work for Google
translation. De URLs in Dutch are,

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/binari...debat-burgerinitiatief-erken-fibromyalgie.pdf

and,

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/binari...raag-gezondheidsraad-betreft-fibromyalgie.pdf

 

According to this, there is a motion to call for more awareness and research in Long Covid and the health minister is against it, that enough has been done already.

The complete lack of any level of cooperation on this issue, every country for themselves, is absolutely bizarre. Scientific collaboration is usually the thing that crosses borders when nothing else does. During the cold war, the USSR, Europe and the US continued to have scientific collaborations, with things like the space station and ITER.

For a mass disabling medical event? Nope, not just every country but seemingly every municipality does their own thing, isolated from all other efforts. Zero institutional-level efforts, completely fragmented.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1513930322697674754

 

The motion to research Long Covid has been defeated, the Dutch legislature has decided they do not want their population to know anything about Long Covid, or the government to have any information that may lead them to have to do something about it. Meanwhile, apparently, diseases stop at borders and there is no need to know what's happening elsewhere, it cannot possibly be relevant to "cultural" issues.

This is the harm ideology and pseudoscience cause when mixed with authority and impunity. It even uses ignorance to justify its continued existence, as clear a sign of pseudoscientific thinking as it gets. The class action lawsuits will be enooooooooooormous.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1516428955020103694

 

This seems excessive even in the worst case. If true, this is incredible, and unsustainable.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1517363722888564741


OK this is clarified in a response: it's 40% of healthcare professionals who developed Long Covid. So 40% of healthcare workers who got LC from the first wave have been fired.

 

Not justifying this, but won’t most health worker contracts have a clause that if you have been on long term sick for specific amount of time, you can be fired. Certainly that is the situation here in the UK. I know when I got ill health retirement, if my pension had not been agreed, I would have been dismissed regardless because of the amount of sick leave I had had.

I guess this is ethically more complex with Long Covid as, for health care workers, Covid can be seen as an occupational disease.

 

Probably. But you probably have to be sick for that, not "sick". If it's rejected as a disease, by definition it can't be an occupational disease.

 

https://twitter.com/user/status/1529495346245685249

 

Edit: moved from the Scandinavia thread, always confuse Netherlands and Denmark with which one is in Scandinavia...


It appears that the ministry of health in the Netherlands is promoting herd immunity. It's really weird seeing what's happening in Scandinavian countries and how medical authorities seem so gullible about pseudoscience, the absurd insistence to dismiss this as cultural, while also promoting the idea that science is cultural (Flottorp saying something like "I know the Norwegian context better", as if science or reality are different in Norway than the context that lead the IOM/NIH, CDC and NICE to finally admit the BPS model is flawed).

https://twitter.com/user/status/1536268212324683778

 

https://www-zonmw-nl.translate.goog...l=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp

 

Pretty encouraging. The repeatedly emphasize biomedical research, and are working with patients.

 

"Cognitive behavioural therapy lessens post-viral fatigue after COVID-19."

No link to the actual publication which is odd...

https://www.amsterdamumc.org/en/res...essens-post-viral-fatigue-after-covid-19-.htm

 

I would typically imagine this would be relentlessly promoted by the usual suspects, but I’m unfamiliar with the prestige and influence of this research group. I wonder whether this will reverberate in the US for instance?

 

It's Hans Knoop, so it will be heavily marketed.

I don't know how these people sleep at night lying so hard about everything they do:

And yet they know perfectly that this is exactly how it's perceived and applied in the medical profession, entirely because of their work. Shysters, grifters, con artists the lot of them, and helped and enabled by broken institutions that clearly have stopped caring about anything a long time ago. It's all career and personal ambition.

 

Hans Knoop is part of the BPS incrowd. As is Judith Rosmalen btw. The NKCV which hosted Bleijenberg, v.d. Meer and other acolytes of that incrowd moved to Amsterdam some years back. It seems Hans Knoop is one of the people taking up the mantle of screwing people over.