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Johannes Klæbo has won 5/5 gold as the ongoing Skiing World Championship. He’s aiming for 6/6.

An important measure is that he is isolating in order to avoid infections. He has only met his girlfriend 10 times since October. He has a cohort that consists of 4 people, and he refuses close contact with anyone. Even the people in the cohort has to keep a distance of at least 2 meters.

There’s no mention of covid specifically.

- Do you think anyone thinks it's a bit hysterical?​

- "Yes, I think so. It's a bit hysterical, but that's the way it has to be when you have to make it probable that you won't get sick," says Lasse Gimnes. (His media advisor)​

https://www.nrk.no/skivm/ski-vm_-jo...tak-_-familien-om-hans-_ko-ko_-liv-1.17315817
 
Johannes Klæbo has won 5/5 gold as the ongoing Skiing World Championship. He’s aiming for 6/6.

An important measure is that he is isolating in order to avoid infections. He has only met his girlfriend 10 times since October. He has a cohort that consists of 4 people, and he refuses close contact with anyone. Even the people in the cohort has to keep a distance of at least 2 meters.

There’s no mention of covid specifically.

- Do you think anyone thinks it's a bit hysterical?​

- "Yes, I think so. It's a bit hysterical, but that's the way it has to be when you have to make it probable that you won't get sick," says Lasse Gimnes. (His media advisor)​

https://www.nrk.no/skivm/ski-vm_-jo...tak-_-familien-om-hans-_ko-ko_-liv-1.17315817
Good for him. I was a bit annoyed when they said masks didn't work (funny how the skiing people manage to use FFP2's when health care do not..), nice to see they seem to learn after some bouts of illness (i seem to remember he had to pass on some training, and did he miss a competition as well? I'm not really following more than the headlines).
 
Good for him. I was a bit annoyed when they said masks didn't work (funny how the skiing people manage to use FFP2's when health care do not..), nice to see they seem to learn after some bouts of illness (i seem to remember he had to pass on some training, and did he miss a competition as well? I'm not really following more than the headlines).
He got some kind of respiratory thing (forkjølelse) a month ago and had to stop his high altitude program in Switzerland.

Whenever I mention athletes using masks, the default response seems to be that they are ‘extreme’ and that it isn’t applicable to regular people..
 
He got some kind of respiratory thing (forkjølelse) a month ago and had to stop his high altitude program in Switzerland.

Whenever I mention athletes using masks, the default response seems to be that they are ‘extreme’ and that it isn’t applicable to regular people..
I get the same response. But I don't get it with all the people saying they are indispensable at work and other stuff. And in my field with many having temporary positions and strict deadlines... why not avoid illness? The high levels of sick leave is placing many under "extreme" levels of pressure too.

I wore a mask at my job interviews and landed a new job tho :thumbup:
 
Good for you (and the employer)!
Not to brag but I agree :whistle:

ME is sadly become a topic in the election for a new team to lead the largest university in Norway, University of Oslo.

Harald Eia, standup comedian with a background in sociology is part of one of the teams. Eia has discussed ME in his podcast and on TV, in a poor fashion (we have a thread on the podcast episode here), and now sadly he has been restating misinformation about ME in the election campaign :banghead:

In Norwegian: "Jeg har mye å lære" ("I have much to learn")
It's a reply to another piece on why he shouldn't be part of UiO's leadership, citing his poor behavior in the ME podcast/TV episode as one reason.
 
Not to brag but I agree :whistle:

ME is sadly become a topic in the election for a new team to lead the largest university in Norway, University of Oslo.

Harald Eia, standup comedian with a background in sociology is part of one of the teams. Eia has discussed ME in his podcast and on TV, in a poor fashion (we have a thread on the podcast episode here), and now sadly he has been restating misinformation about ME in the election campaign :banghead:

In Norwegian: "Jeg har mye å lære" ("I have much to learn")
It's a reply to another piece on why he shouldn't be part of UiO's leadership, citing his poor behavior in the ME podcast/TV episode as one reason.
oh, that was really bad. he's actually doubling down on his support of the Oslo Chronic Fatigue Consortium and says they are the only research group actively searching for treatments for ME.
 
AI-translation and I’ve added some line breaks for my own comments. The first part is not included because it pertained to something else.
So to my appearance in the ME debate on Dagsnytt 18. I am the first to admit that I made a rather pitiful figure here. But it was not so much about what I said. It was about me being cowardly and unclear.
Apparently, the accused gets to decide what was problematic and not.
Grasmo writes: “Eia presented unscientific myths and prejudices about ME as facts, for example that the disease is only in the patients’ heads.” I should have said instead that ME is a disease that cannot be understood only biologically or biomedically.
If you should have said something else, it was about what you said. And we don’t know that it cannot be understood only biomedically.
I should have added that a reductionist biomedical understanding of ME can be directly harmful in that it deprives patients and relatives of hope for recovery and weakens trust in the healthcare system.
As opposed to the reductionist psychosomatic understanding?
This was very recently discussed here.
The understanding of ME and other long-term fatigue states as biopsychosocial conditions is not "unscientific myths and prejudices", as Grasmo claims, but is consistent with the national expertise service for CFS/ME, and with the Oslo Chronic Fatigue Network, which consists of approximately 100 researchers and clinicians (about half from Norway).
The national expertice service (NKT) is staffed by Wyller’s former students and they are acitvely working to eradicate the ME/CFS diagnosis. We all know OCFN.

This argument also shows a strange logical flaw in his reasoning, as he seems to think that something becomes scientifically valid if a scientist agrees with it. That’s obviously not true, it only become valid based on its own merit. This kind of thinking should exclude him as a candidate, regardless of his opinions.
This research community affiliated with UiO is the only one in Norway that is actively investigating treatment options for this patient group, which currently lacks effective solutions. They represent the only real and scientifically based hope for those who suffer.
This is a blatant lie, we’ve got e.g. Fluge, Mella and Tronstad, in addition to the ME Association (FUNCAP and their research fund)
As it is controversial to talk about this research out loud, due to strong reactions from activists (a report from the Science Media Centre mentions CFS/ME explicitly), it is important that the leadership at UiO supports the researchers working on this disorder.
Lies, lies and more lies.
I think my advantage is that I can tolerate being afraid (even though it didn't seem that way on Dagsnytt 18), and that I want and am able to convey research-based knowledge to a large audience.
I think it’s reasonable to assume that he implies that he’s afraid due to activists.
This should of course be done in a way that does not stigmatize those I speak about. I certainly have a lot to learn here. And it is precisely criticism, like from Tyra Grasmo, that allows me to improve.
If you twist the criticism to fit your own worldview, you’re not going to learn anything. In fact, all you’ve done is to double down on your lies.
 
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This research community affiliated with UiO is the only one in Norway that is actively investigating treatment options for this patient group, which currently lacks effective solutions. They represent the only real and scientifically based hope for those who suffer.
Leaving aside that this is a blatant insulting lie, even if it was true the question then becomes why, which leads to asking how the psychosomatic crowd have managed to become so dominant that they can block any research into alternative explanations.

And answers to that that might be more than a little embarrassing for them.
 
oh, that was really bad. he's actually doubling down on his support of the Oslo Chronic Fatigue Consortium and says they are the only research group actively searching for treatments for ME.
This is actually hilarious considering that there are literally dozens of groups doing exactly the same things, for the same reasons and with the exact same beliefs. They are basically a dime a dozen, and you can get 25% more with every purchase.

Also, you know, the whole RECOVER initiative, which actually does this, albeit poorly, as opposed to their clowning around for decades.

No honor among quacks.
 
Dr Judith Bruchfeld, of the post-covid clinic at Karolinska in Sweden, thinks back to how it all started.

Långtidscovid: "Från tanke till öppen mottagning tog det 6 veckor"
https://www.karolinska.se/om-oss/centrala-nyheter/2025/03/covid-del-5-langtidscovid/
Long covid: ‘From idea to the opening the of centre took 6 weeks’

Five years have passed since the WHO classified COVID-19 as a pandemic. At least 150,000 people in Sweden are still struggling with severe consequences of the disease. Will it never end? ‘We hope that through research we will soon be able to better understand the mechanisms and, at best, offer a cure,’ says Judith Bruchfeld, infectious disease physician and researcher.

Wave after wave, the COVID-19 virus rolled into Sweden, first with a sharp increase in the number of hospitalisations and deaths, only to subside and regain momentum for the next outbreak. The virus is no longer considered an acute threat to human health and daily life has returned to normal in most places. At the same time, around 65 million people worldwide are living with persistent or delayed symptoms. In Sweden alone, an estimated 150,000 people are struggling with severe complications of the virus - long-term COVID.

- This means that the condition can be classed as a widespread disease,’ says Judith Bruchfeld, consultant and specialist in infectious diseases at Karolinska University Hospital and researcher at Karolinska Institutet. [...]
 
Paywalled news article.

Kroniskt misstrodd
https://www.flamman.se/kroniskt-misstrodd/
Auto-translate said:
Chronically distrusted

As a teenager, Isa Schedin, 29, was told she ‘shouldn't be afraid of getting tired’. Now she knows it's ME that has kept her bed-bound for five years. But scepticism about the diagnosis persists in the healthcare system. ‘Norway is further ahead in understanding,’ says Anders Rosén, professor emeritus.

‘I don't want anyone else to be bedridden just because of ignorance.’

29-year-old Isa Schedin writes to Flamman from her bedroom in Umeå. On the desk next to her bed she has her entire ‘smithy’, where she makes silver jewellery that she sells online. In recent months, however, she hasn't quite had enough energy.
 
Press release by the Swedish Covid Association. In a post on Facebook they write:
The Swedish Covid Association on Facebook auto-translate said:
Sifo: 280,000 Swedes are affected by postcovid

Five years after the start of the pandemic, 280,000 people in Sweden between the ages of 16 and 84 have post-covid, according to a new Sifo survey. Yet 3 out of 4 Swedes say they do not know anyone affected, and very few say they talk about our new widespread disease. Therefore, the Swedish Covid Association is now launching a campaign to raise public awareness.

- ‘We need to get better at talking about post-covid, both privately and in society at large. This is a serious disease, but many people suffer in silence,’ says Lisa Norén, medical specialist and spokesperson for the Swedish Covid Association, SCF.

Read our press release:
Sifo: 280 000 svenskar är drabbade av postcovid
https://covidforeningen.se/sifo-280-000-svenskar-ar-drabbade-av-postcovid/

Google Translate (English).
 
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