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Deutsche Gesellschaft für ME/CFS (22.07.2021) :

Open letter to neurological professional associations

July 22nd is World Brain Day. It was created by the World Federation of Neurology in 2014 to bring more attention to neurological diseases. The German Society for ME / CFS took the World Brain Day as an opportunity to contact the neurological professional associations in Germany. You will find the text of the open letter below.

https://translate.google.com/transl...ttps://www.mecfs.de/welttag-des-gehirns-2021/
 
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Deutsche Gesellschaft für ME/CFS (22.07.2021) :

Open letter to neurological professional associations

July 22nd is World Brain Day. It was created by the World Federation of Neurology in 2014 to bring more attention to neurological diseases. The German Society for ME / CFS took the World Brain Day as an opportunity to contact the neurological professional associations in Germany. You will find the text of the open letter below.

https://translate.google.com/transl...ttps://www.mecfs.de/welttag-des-gehirns-2021/

Even in machine translation this reads very well. Though it perhaps overstates our physiological understanding of some symptoms, it is overall a very useful document.
 
Even in machine translation this reads very well. Though it perhaps overstates our physiological understanding of some symptoms, it is overall a very useful document.

I agree @Peter Trewhitt, and thanks @MSEsperanza . For example, I knew that the GET and CBT studies had been rated a low or very low quality by NICE, but I was not aware of the preponderance of the 'very low' rating:
As part of the development of new guidelines for ME / CFS, the UK health authority NICE carried out a comprehensive assessment of the study situation: Of all 236 studies that indicated that graded exercise therapy and cognitive behavioral therapy were effective treatments for ME / CFS, the Quality of evidence for 205 studies rated “very low” and the remaining 31 studies rated “low”.

Lots of useful material for advocacy there.
 
I know this is not news but a question but anyway: A member in my group who lives in Germany needs some help and asked me to ask German pwME for info. A doctor referred her to a CFS centre in Berlin but there they rejected her because she didn't have a viral trigger (she had gradual onset two years ago and she didn't have any obvious trigger, it just started). She has been screened very thoroughly for other diseases, everything is fine and she would like to be accepted at that CFS centre in Berlin but she is stuck.

So the question: What other options does she have? (She would like to convince the centre to accept her.)
What are the closest good options for her if she wants to see a specialist? Are there any?
Is the Berlin ME/CFS centre worth it? Is it a place with decent understanding of the disease? (This last one is my question actually.)

Thank you!

Edit: I just realized: Is this Scheibenbogen's place?
 
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My 13-part blog series on my trip to the Charite in Berlin:

https://forums.phoenixrising.me/blog-articles/blog/tiredsam.20476/


So the question: What other options does she have? (She would like to convince the centre to accept her.)
What are the closest good options for her if she wants to see a specialist? Are there any?
Is the Berlin ME/CFS centre worth it? Is it a place with decent understanding of the disease? (This last one is my question actually.)

Thank you!

Edit: I just realized: Is this Scheibenbogen's place?

It is Scheibenbogen's place.

I personally decided that there was no other option than going to the Charite, if they hadn't seen me I wouldn't have gone anywhere else, or to any other doctors. I wanted a non-psych diagnosis from a credible institution, and I got one. They definitely have a decent understanding of the disease. They are an oasis in the desert that is Germany, where belief in the mysterious power of the mind and other forms of woo is rampant amongst doctors and patients. Since my diagnosis in 2016 I have gone back into hiding from the medical profession. I have heard of and looked into other places claiming to specialise in CFS, but they seem clueless and I wouldn't go to any of them. There are a few private doctors who are spoken very highly of in patient circles, they will charge a fortune for vitamin B injections and the like and have a wonderful bedside manner, the patients I know who've been to these doctors never seem to get any better in the long term.

As you may read in part 4 of my blog, I was a bit flexible in my answer about susceptibility to infections, and said my ME started with a viral infection, although I can't be sure it did. Perhaps your friend could suddenly remember the viral infection she had just before her ME started? The Charite won't be able to do much for her apart from give her a diagnosis and recommend pacing, but at least she'll have that instead of being psychologised. My report and treatment recommendations, and my opinion of them, are contained in part 9 of my blog onwards.
 
From part 7 of my blog (just reading it again for a trip down memory lane ...)

So, as one person at my self-help group asked after I’d given a half-hour presentation on my visit, why did I go, was it worth it?

Well, yes it was. I will get my immune system completely checked over, my file will be discussed with Prof Scheibenbogen, my blood will be used in CFS research. And I expect to receive a diagnosis from a credible and recognised institution, which will be handy if I ever need to apply for a disability pension (not currently on the plan), or just for shutting people up generally.

Plus I will be getting my report in 6-8 weeks, and they might find something …
 
May I introduce two important links regarding ME/CSF:

Prof. Dr. Scheibenbogen. Berlin DNA-Markers for ME/CSF
Full article: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.00578/full

Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: Essentials of Diagnosis and Management

Abstract: “Despite myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) affecting millions of people worldwide, many clinicians lack the knowledge to appropriately diagnose or manage ME/CFS. Unfortunately, clinical guidance has been scarce, obsolete, or potentially harmful…”
https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(21)00513-9/fulltext

On Monday I saw Neurologist number 5. As expected he had never heard of ME/CSF, but I came prepared with a printout of the same I posted here.
 
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May I introduce two important links regarding ME/CSF:

Prof. Dr. Scheibenbogen. Berlin DNA-Markers for ME/CSF
Full article: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.00578/full

Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: Essentials of Diagnosis and Management

Abstract: “Despite myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) affecting millions of people worldwide, many clinicians lack the knowledge to appropriately diagnose or manage ME/CFS. Unfortunately, clinical guidance has been scarce, obsolete, or potentially harmful…”
https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(21)00513-9/fulltext

On Monday I saw Neurologist number 5. As expected he had never heard of ME/CSF, but I came prepared with a printout of the same I posted here.

Forum threads on these two articles:

Autoimmunity-Related Risk Variants in PTPN22 and CTLA4 Are Associated With ME/CFS With Infectious Onset (2020) Scheibenbogen et al.

Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: Essentials of Diagnosis and Management
 
One of the largest companies of compulsory statutory health insurance in Germany, the 'Techniker Krankenkasse' updated their information about ME/CFS. In their rubric 'treatments and medicine' / neurological limitations, they say:

(Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator, free version)

ME/CFS: more than just exhaustion

After a strenuous week at work or a boisterous party, everyone is exhausted and worn out at some point. Even a severe infection or a major physical challenge can temporarily weaken our performance. But what if physical and mental weakness constantly occurs for no reason and the inner battery cannot be recharged by sleep or rest?

In Germany, around 250,000 people suffer from myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome, also known as ME/CFS. This complex neurological disease often occurs after a viral infection such as influenza or glandular fever.

How do you recognize chronic fatigue syndrome?

In ME/CFS, the body is no longer able to provide sufficient energy for physical or cognitive activities. Many sufferers then find it increasingly difficult to perform their everyday tasks, feeling permanently knocked out. Even simple activities, such as clearing the table or going to the bakery, often become insurmountable obstacles.

Moreover, the symptoms worsen massively after even minor physical or mental exertion. Experts call this leading symptom "Post-Exertional Malaise (PEM)".

Other typical complaints include:

  • Flu-like symptoms such as sore throat, fever and swollen lymph nodes with extreme fatigue.
  • Cardiovascular symptoms such as palpitations, dizziness and fluctuations in blood pressure
  • Speech, concentration and memory problems
  • Muscle, joint and limb pain
  • Severe sleep disturbances, sleep does not improve symptoms

What are the causes?

Although ME/CFS was classified as a neurological disease as early as 1969, its exact causes are still unknown. Experts suspect that infections, immunodeficiencies and disturbances of the energy metabolism are among the triggers. Currently, COVID-19 is also suspected of triggering ME/CFS, as many patients still suffer from symptoms such as PEM six months after their COVID infection.

Good to know

Very often, the older literature still refers to "chronic fatigue syndrome" or "chronic fatigue syndrome". However, since this physical and mental weakness is not triggered by a lack of rest or activity, experts today reject this term for describing ME/CFS. In addition, they say it trivializes the severity of the disease.

Diagnosis and therapy

During the consultation, your doctor will ask you what symptoms you are suffering from. He will then examine you physically, if necessary. He will first rule out various causes for your chronic weakness, for example tumor diseases or chronic inflammatory diseases such as multiple sclerosis. Diabetes mellitus, liver diseases or mental illnesses such as depression can also trigger severe exhaustion and fatigue.

If you suffer from nocturnal breathing pauses (sleep apnea), this can be the cause of a lack of rest. Since certain medications can also make you extremely tired, your doctor may review your medication schedule.

Once your doctor has ruled out other causes, he or she may use the Canadian Consensus Criteria (CCC), for example, and standardized questionnaires to confirm the diagnosis of ME/CFS. Among other things, he checks whether the following criteria apply to you:

  • The symptoms have been present for at least six months.
  • You find it increasingly difficult to perform everyday private and professional tasks due to physical and mental weakness.
  • Sleep does not lead to rest for you.
  • You feel extremely exhausted after even light physical or mental activity (PEM).

Currently, there is no therapy that has been proven to help against ME/CFS. Therefore, the main goal is to treat the symptoms and thus improve your quality of life. For example, your doctor may prescribe medications to relieve pain or stabilize your circulation.

How is ME/CFS different from depression?

Both conditions are associated with severe fatigue, memory problems, loss of libido and sleep disturbances. ME/CFS starts suddenly in many cases and is also accompanied by flu-like symptoms (headache, sore throat, painful lymph nodes, feverishness). Depression, on the other hand, usually develops insidiously.

While the symptoms of depression improve noticeably with regular physical or mental activity, this makes them progressively worse in ME/CFS. People with depression tend to withdraw and resign, whereas people with ME/CFS usually actively seek help.


What can you do if you are affected yourself?

Even if it is very difficult: Accept that you are less able to cope with stress, because exertion can actually worsen your symptoms. Review your lifestyle and daily routine. In doing so, re-evaluate your own performance limits and adjust your daily workload accordingly.

Possible measures:

A regular daily routine with set meals and periods for activity and rest often relieves symptoms. Even if rest and sleep do not improve the symptoms, many sufferers find a clear daily structure beneficial.

Relaxation techniques are often helpful. Exercise and sport, on the other hand, can even intensify the symptoms.

Join a self-help organization. Fatigatio e. V., the German Association for ME/CFS, and the German Society for ME/CFS e. V. offer information and self-help groups for affected persons and their relatives.

Author: Salima Coy
Date of publication: 03.06.2021

https://www.tk.de/techniker/gesundh...ngen/me-cfs-mehr-als-nur-erschoepfung-2016418

Google translate link:

https://www.tk.de/techniker/gesundh...ngen/me-cfs-mehr-als-nur-erschoepfung-2016418

I think it's a huge a progress compared to an older version that I only vaguely remember.

It would be even better if they referenced what they say so that people themselves could have a look at the evidence.

But they don't do that for other diseases either. This is what they say about living with MS:

https://www.tk.de/techniker/gesundh...enkungen/leben-mit-multipler-sklerose-2098474

google translate link:

https://translate.google.com/transl...enkungen/leben-mit-multipler-sklerose-2098474

Edited to add a missing 'y' and to fix some issues with the layout.
 
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One of the largest companies of compulsory statutory health insurance in Germany, the 'Techniker Krankenkasse' updated their information about ME/CFS. In their rubric 'treatments and medicine' / neurological limitations, they say:

(Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator, free version)

ME/CFS: more than just exhaustion



Author: Salima Coy
Date of publication: 03.06.2021

I think that piece is a brilliant brief summary which I would love all our UK GPs, consultants in fact all HCPs to read. I feel sure that would help them to improve their reaction to ME/CFS patients.

Thank you for sharing. Gave me a much appreciated and needed morale boost.:thumbup::hug:
 
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I think that piece is a brilliant brief summary which I would love all our UK GPs, consultants in fact all HCPs to read. I feel sure that would help them to improve their reaction to ME/CFS patients.

Thank you for sharing. Gave me a much appreciated and needed morale boost.:thumbup::hug:

I'm insured at TK. Not sure though how much of what they put out publicly will have any effect on their decision making, e.g. when it comes to granting therapies.

The first gatekeeper in all of this are our GPs and they in general aren't very open to reading anything a patient is handing over to them. So even if my own health insurance is recommending ruling out several other illnesses/going for expensive testing, I doubt that a "non believer" GP will follow that.
 
Somehow I don't think they have their eye on the ball. See, they do not fear a rehabilitation supply deficit, which is not even something relevant here. It's amazing how it's completely optional to pay attention to reality in health care, like looking at life through a straw.

Long-COVID: Federal government sees no bottlenecks in rehab Around every tenth person infected with corona has an increased need for rehabilitation due to long-term effects. The federal government does not fear any major supply deficits. However, the Greens in Parliament are skeptical.
 
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