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The frequency that the labels and theories change is a good measure of how poor the actual understanding is, and how unwilling those selling the misunderstandings are to admit it.
Agree, and in my mind, then the complementary and alternative medicine practitioners and every scam artist wanting a buck to target “chronic fatigue” and “chronic pain”, grab these scientific research words and pseudoscience is created and just one more to add to the massive vortex of BPS. You can change your genes and “epigenetics”, or gene methylation with diet, this supplement, this breathing and meditation app blah blah, as well as every permutation of the unproven Polyvagal Theory…
 
Founding LC Research published today by Te Herenga Waka/Victoria University, Wellington with recommendations for the Ministry of Health.

It is in English and Te Reo Māori.

This is the link for the executive summary looking at the Covid Response and the recommendations for LC in Aotearoa New Zealand

Long Covid is on Page 27-29. Recommends it be made a disability, establish long covid clinics, the importance of lived experience and peer support, full income and disability support.

https://covidaotearoa.com/wp-conten...-Mate-Korona-Executive-Summary-2023-01-24.pdf

There is a lengthy report which includes discussion of ME epidemiology amongst other things. Haven’t read it yet as 138 pages long. One step closer to getting ME recognised as a disability….

https://covidaotearoa.com/wp-conten...kawe-o-Mate-Korona-Full-Report-2023-01-24.pdf

ETA: searched the pdf document - no mention ME, ME/CFS. Post-infection, post viral. Must be hidden in the reference papers…. Still a harrowing read of experiences of pwLC
Interview with one of the authors of this study. Brief mention of ME with epidemiologist Dr Mona Jeffreys arguing both LC and ME should be classified as disabilities (which would give access to better support services, but I hold little hope for this happening as we appear to be looking at a period of government spending cuts in NZ)

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/prog.../2018875322/300-000-cases-of-long-covid-study
 
Link to a recent Stuff article mentioned on another thread about a young woman in Christchurch who has developed what seems to be severe ME/CFS following a Covid-19 infection. I think it's well-written and very sad.
A wave of unsettling articles today.

1) The one linked by Hutan is fine in itself, apart from the annoying headline (chronic fatigue). It paints a recognisable picture of severe LC/ME but finishes with a fundraiser demonstrating that the NZ system still doesn't recognise the level of disability LC and ME can cause. As a result the level of carer support available just isn't good enough, necessitating recourse to givealittle.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/he...n-darkness-with-chronic-fatigue-after-covid19

2) As for this NZ Doctor article, the reading of which counts as continuing medical "education" - aaaargh!!!
[from 17 Jan but I only just saw it]

So ok, it's good the patient (only 5 weeks post-infection) was given a decent cardiac work-up which is more than many ever get. But can we pleeeeease just drop the anxiety after reading stories in the media thing. For all we know the patient was anxious because they were worried about being diagnosed as anxious! Not without reason:
NZ Doctor article said:
By definition, your patient does have long COVID – she has PASC-CVS (symptoms without objective evidence of disease). However, you are aware of the post-viral syndrome which causes similar symptoms – probably a mixture of a mild physical illness and some significant emotional ill health. It seems unlikely that any significant organ damage has occurred in your patient.

6. You adopt a reassuring, supportive and “expectant” management plan, with advice to your patient to slowly increase her exercise over several weeks and months. With several reviews in the next few weeks, she recovers both emotionally and physically, and returns to her normal self.
https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/...fatigue-five-weeks-after-sars-cov-2-infection

3) Not about ME or LC but I fear we'll end up getting caught up (even more) in the rehab enthusiasm tsunami regardless. Paywalled ODT story about a new emg device for clinical use quotes one of the interviewees as saying that
ODT said:
In New Zealand, particularly with ACC, there was a treatment-based model. That was transitioning to an exercise rehabilitative model
https://www.odt.co.nz/business/transforming-lives-through-power-tech
The emg device discussed, in case anyone's interested: https://www.mremg.com/
 
Re the NZ doctor article:
You adopt a reassuring, supportive and “expectant” management plan, with advice to your patient to slowly increase her exercise over several weeks and months. With several reviews in the next few weeks, she recovers both emotionally and physically, and returns to her normal self.
aargh. I would very much like to tell that author exactly what they can do with their 'reassuring, supportive and 'expectant' management plan'. Which basically amounts to a 'don't worry so much, dear' pat on the head'. There is so much certainty that such an approach makes a positive impact on the patient's illness course.

While we're gone, check out Summer Hiatus: Stories we think deserve to be read again! This article was first published on 22 June 2022.
Seriously? That condescending rubbish gets a second chance at reinforcing the prejudices that doctors hold?

Long COVID or PASC results from both physical ill health and psychological factors, which are not well understood.
Not understood, but we aren't letting a lack of knowledge get in the way of us presenting ourselves as an expert.

This article has been endorsed by the RNZCGP and has been approved for up to 0.25 CME credits for continuing professional development purposes (1 credit per learning hour).

I don't know what we can do. Some days, it feels as though we are fighting a losing battle, this pollution keeps pouring out faster than we can mop it up. Surely one day there will be more sense in medicine.

The author is Chris Ellis, a consultant cardiologist at The Heart Group and Mercy Hospital, Auckland.
 
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I don't know what we can do. Some days, it feels as though we are fighting a losing battle, this pollution keeps pouring out faster than we can mop it up.
Endless, brazen repetition of a lie unjustified claim is a cornerstone of propaganda. Unfortunately it really does work.
Surely one day there will be more sense in medicine.
Preferably before we are all dead would be nice too.
 
It might be worth the NZ members who are interested drafting a letter to Chris Ellis, NZ GP and/or the RNZCGP explaining about the problems with the idea of 'Long Covid = anxiety (at least partly)'. I hate to see training content that makes life harder rather than better for people who go to a doctor for help.

i.e.
* issues with pre-existing symptoms and population level rates of anxiety not always being taken into account in Long Covid epidemiological studies (i.e. while anxiety may appear in a list of symptoms after Covid-19, the prevalence may not be much greater

* the problem with measurement tools assessing anxiety, i.e. that people with a chronic illness, especially one that is not diagnosed, can easily score highly on without there being any pathology

* the correlation is not cause issue (worry and sadness, even emotionality, can be a result of a debilitating health condition, not the cause) - both in studies and in the doctor's clinic

* the lack of evidence for psychological factors being relevant to ME/CFS, whether or not it follows Covid-19

* the high natural rate of recovery in the initial months - that this should be the basis of any reassurance to patients and humility on the part of doctors

* the need to assess for PEM, and tailor advice accordingly

* the unhelpfulness of stigmatisation and condescension.

Probably more. Maybe we can start a thread in advocacy to discuss the best approach and draft something? Maybe tomorrow.
 
If only I could express politely, how angry I feel, about the statements made in NZ Doctor, a magazine for all medical professionals but mostly for GP's.

GP's believe in NZ that ME/CFS should be "self-managed". They do provide symptomatic relief and many do work with pwME to offer newer treatments that arise from the Bateman Horne Centre in the USA.

It is a form of neglect as the health system are unable to provide many services in metropolitan cities, let alone rurally and there are major disparities for different cultural and socioeconomic groups.

The cardiologist says "at least they got a cardiovascular work-up". This really annoys me considering the clear literature on the ongoing impact of covid on vasculature.

Also there are huge waitlists (up to a year, currently in some centres) to see anyone in the specialty of medicine, let alone cardiology, due to the pandemic and many pwME have had their appointments pushed further out because of LC.

Again pwME we are being denied basic medical care and this statement agains underlies the continued psychologising of our biomedical illness. Of course they do not see the tide of disability happening now and will only worsen.

It is inconvenient, the country is dealing with a lot of economic difficulties and they don't want LC/ME cluttering up their GP practices and hospitals. There is little media coverage as other things dominate as the government thinks the covid pandemic is over and we should all be living with it. The MOH spokesperson just ignores questioning on it.

LC and ME advocates, pwME/pwLC have worked hard to educate and collaborate together, which includes with the college of GP's, as part of the LC taskforce and development of LC services in NZ.

Many pwLC are just being rediagnosed with ME/CFS and put on the "scrap-heap" and having their covid related treatment unfunded and then being denied further treatment except some breathing and pacing advice. Nothing about OI/OH, cognitive problems.

They are advised to join FB support groups run by NGO's that are heavily into wellness and perpetuating the un-evidenced use of excessive supplementation, every latest fad for neuroplasticity, naturopathy and even support members promoting LP.

Integrative GP's are gaining momentum and trying hard to create their new subspecialty within an Australasian context, conferencing together, so they can be "holistic". (mostly pseudoscience or junk science, especially from the USA, but plenty into Dr Myhill, Ozone treatment to name a few of their offerings).

But BPS is entrenched within the college/university medical schools and it is an ongoing battle. They have already belittled ME advocacy groups at their CME conferences. They are openly promoting LP for the treatment of ME/CFS.

I thought Australian college of GP's were bad but the small population of NZ and the influence, especially of the UK practice of BPS medicine is strong and being taught within the medical schools at an undergraduate level.

The public face/head of the College of GP's is very clear there is too much "long covid hysteria" and anxiety and I think this cardiologist is likely to be parroting him but will truly believe his BS.

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Surely one day there will be more sense in medicine.
Not by 26th March 2023 I'm afraid.

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Sigh.
 
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NZ GP education podcast with focus on young people. About 40 mins. Apparently it's been edited down to that length so it's not as comprehensive as it could have been, much to the disappointment of the speakers.

Still, the podcast is well done overall despite some gaps caused by the editing. At any rate, the main function of the podcast is to encourage GPs to take their patients seriously, advocate for them to get access to any support services they're entitled to, and to make use of sources like NZ Health Pathways & patient orgs, the CDC, etc. for more comprehensive information when treating a pwME. The podcast achieves this well, I think - or at least I hope it has this effect on any listening doctors. The challenge may be to get GPs to listen to it in the first place.

I think teenager Noah's testimony on how the disease affects his life will resonate with younger members here, it's very moving.

His mother Rose puts into words some of the emotions and challenges parents of ill children experience. Those of you who are parents may recognise some of these.

The GP Cathy's sections appear particularly truncated to me but hopefully listeners click through on the ME Awareness link on the page because there they can find a recording of a previous, more comprehensive presentation by Cathy and also a copy of an excellent NZ Doctor article she and Rose co-authored.
In this episode Dr Cathy Stephenson and Rose Silvester discuss the impact of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/CFS on young people.

ME/CFS is a poorly understood, yet relatively common medical condition, that can profoundly affect the lives of those who suffer from it. Sadly for decades myths have persisted around the aetiology and pathophysiology of ME/CFS, with many health providers historically even doubting its existence, and confusion still reigns when it comes to an evidence-based approach to management. So here to unpick some of the myths, and help us with an approach to assessing and supporting young people who develop ME/CFS are Dr Cathy Stephenson, a GP who has developed a special interest in the condition, and Rose Silvester, a mum of two teenage boys who are affected by it. We are also delighted to have special guest to give us insight.
There are direct links to the different sections of the podcast on the webpage.

https://www.goodfellowunit.org/podcast/myalgic-encephalomyelitiscfs
 
The National Ethics Advisory Committee is recruiting for several members:
https://careers.health.govt.nz/jobs/MOH-1708380

This committee has a major role in the governance of research approvals as well as monitoring and providing advice to the government on health services and health research in general.

The committee is particularly keen to find clinicians with some experience in ethics policy, and/or experts in health ethics with some clinical experience. From my point of view, it would be great to find committee members who can be relied upon to hold sensible views about good research design and evaluation, and psychosomatic medicine.
 
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Hi
I quite like the following single sentence that states what researchers are finding in ME/CFS. I think it has been suggested here before, or did it come from Emerge Australia?. Anyway, this is what I am referring to ...
Researchers have identified an abnormal physiological response to exercise, altered immune function, changes in the bacteria in the gut, and impaired energy production at a cellular level.

I have a couple of questions related to this statement:
A. Would you agree that this statement provides a good up-to-date summary of what the current findings of research show?

B. What research papers would you suggest are used to provide evidence to each of the findings? Ones that senior physicians in NZ would respect and find good information (if they bothered to read them).

These papers have been suggested to me:
1. Re "abnormal physiological response to exercise"
2. Re "altered immune function"
  • ?
3. Re "changes in the bacteria in the gut"
4. Re "impaired energy production at a cellular level"
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These have been suggested as good general articles for sharing with a NZ audience. Would you agree?
  • Sweetman E, et al. (2019). Current Research Provides Insight into the Biological Basis and Diagnostic Potential for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS). Diagnostics (Basel). Jul 10;9(3):73. doi: 10.3390/diagnostics9030073. PMID: 31295930; PMCID: PMC6787691. https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4418/9/3/73
  • Marshall-Gradisnik, S., & Eaton-Fitch, N. (2022). Understanding myalgic encephalomyelitis. Science, 377(6611), 1150–1151. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abo1261
 
I think only the first of the 4 points listed has been replicated and seems to be a pretty solid finding, though the details of what's happening biologically are still at the early research stage. The others are still at the stage of small studies and not replicated. The gut bacteria one may be a downstream effect of factors not central to ME, like changes of diet. I don't think we have evidence that it's useful or replicable.
 
Researchers have identified an abnormal physiological response to exercise, altered immune function, changes in the bacteria in the gut, and impaired energy production at a cellular level.
I have a couple of questions related to this statement:
A. Would you agree that this statement provides a good up-to-date summary of what the current findings of research show?

B. What research papers would you suggest are used to provide evidence to each of the findings? Ones that senior physicians in NZ would respect and find good information (if they bothered to read them).

These papers have been suggested to me:
1. Re "abnormal physiological response to exercise"
[...]
These have been suggested as good general articles for sharing with a NZ audience. Would you agree?
  • Sweetman E, et al. (2019). Current Research Provides Insight into the Biological Basis and Diagnostic Potential for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS). Diagnostics (Basel). Jul 10;9(3):73. doi: 10.3390/diagnostics9030073. PMID: 31295930; PMCID: PMC6787691. https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4418/9/3/73
  • Marshall-Gradisnik, S., & Eaton-Fitch, N. (2022). Understanding myalgic encephalomyelitis. Science, 377(6611), 1150–1151. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abo1261
Technically speaking the sentence is correct. No claim of causality is made and researchers have indeed identified all these things, plus many more. However, this doesn't mean the findings are all solid. Nor does it mean they're of any practical consequence. For example, the gut bacteria findings are pretty non-specific and nobody knows what they mean let alone how or even if they should be treated. On the other hand the sentence doesn't include altered autonomic function which has somewhat better evidence and can to some degree be treated.

Answers to your questions depend a little on what you're trying to achieve. Reading between the lines - and I could be completely up the pole here - you're wanting to convince some 'senior NZ physicians' (whatever that means?) that ME should be treated and managed as a biomedical rather than a psychosomatic illness.

In that context I would primarily focus on the "abnormal physiological response to exertion" aspect and back this up with a combination of papers. The Moore et al paper looks good (on a quick skim) but it's about subjective experience of PEM so it would need to be supported by another paper highlighting the non-fakeable findings from the repeat CPETs. A third addition could be a paper about the cognitive deterioration after exertion. I think taken together they make a good case.

For the other claims I don't think it's worth going into them individually as individually none of the studies are strong. It makes more sense to just include a recent broad review - which would list all those findings anyway - to make the point that there are a lot of abnormal findings even if most of them remain under-researched.

Not sure what the best review for this purpose would be.

Looking back at the thread for Sweetman et al, I seem to have thought that the review itself was reasonably ok - but that was 4 years ago - but that the abstract was ambiguously worded. Which is a problem when so many people just skim the abstract. On the other hand it being an Otago paper may cause some positive nostalgia in NZ physicians leading them to look upon ME with more sympathetic eyes? Ok, maybe not.

Looking back at the thread for the Gradisnik-Fitch paper, it doesn't look like I registered/read the paper when it came out but it didn't fare well with other members. I don't know if that makes it any worse than other reviews, I don't recall any particularly wonderful ones. It's probably a case of picking the least bad one, preferably with an author who enjoys name recognition and respect in senior physician circles.

If the aim is to save pwME from being treated with behavioural and psychological 'therapies' I would additionally highlight the NICE evidence review showing that, irrespective of the ultimate cause of ME, those therapies just don't have good evidence despite numerous trials attempting to prove effectiveness. The exception being the LP where there's little research so we have to fall back on a combination of logic - there's no known mechanism by which it could stop the abnormal response to exertion - together with the precautionary principle - patients reporting harm from overexerting themselves.

In summary, if I had the spoons to search them out - which I don't, this post has taken me all day to construct already - I would look for:
  • a recent paper highlighting the non-fakeable findings from the repeat CPETs, either a review or a solid study with a solid literature review section
  • a paper about the cognitive deterioration after exertion challenge (dimly recall there's at least one such study)
  • a broad review of ME research findings to date, ideally by a well-known and respected author
  • the relevant sections of the NICE evidence review & guidelines, or a review paper summarising them (can't recall if there is one)
Maybe somebody else can help out here?
 
@Ravn :thumbup:

good general articles for sharing with a NZ audience
the relevant sections of the NICE evidence review & guidelines, or a review paper summarising them (can't recall if there is one)
There is this recent paper:
What Primary Care Practitioners Need to Know about the New NICE Guideline for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome in Adults 2022

There is a 4 page summary of the NICE guideline, discussed here:
4-page summary of the 2021 NICE ME/CFS guidelines
It has some very good content, but still has enough problems that make it not ideal for sharing without adjustment. It could be helpful as a start point if someone was writing their own summary for a local audience.
 
FWIW. The NZ Ministry of Health is giving the public the opportunity to submit ideas for improving our health system (though given the chronic health underfunding issues I suspect it's not likely anything costing money will be taken up).

https://tatou.health.govt.nz/

There are several topics. Kiwis can register their support for and/or comment on the listed ideas, or propose their own (all actions require creating a login). It's not clear to me how long each topic will remain open.

Currently one topic is "The future of the health system". Two ideas related to ME have been posted at the time of writing.

https://tatou.health.govt.nz/the-future-of-the-health-system

Another topic is "Achieving pae ora (healthy futures)". There are two ideas regarding CFS.

https://tatou.health.govt.nz/achieving-pae-ora-healthy-future

Another relevant topic is "Transforming the health system". There are no ME related ideas for this one yet.

https://tatou.health.govt.nz/transforming-the-health-system

I may have missed some ME/CFS related ideas because I've only looked at the headlines and some of them aren't very informative. Something to keep in mind for anyone submitting their own idea.

Some of the ideas posted may not be formulated perfectly but I think it's still worthwhile to give them a high rating - they're all variations on the theme that ME/CFS has been ignored for too long and the system has to do better by us - and maybe to make some suggestions how the ideas could be further refined in the comments. All ideas and comments go on the public record. So another small way of making sure they can't turn around and say 'we didn't know there was a problem'
 
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