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Michael Sharpe: Mind, Medicine and Morals: A Tale of Two Illnesses (2019) BMJ blog - and published responses

Discussion in 'Psychosomatic news - ME/CFS and Long Covid' started by Estherbot, May 29, 2019.

  1. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Maybe he has finally met someone who can out-drivel him and has cold feet.
     
  2. Amw66

    Amw66 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Is it normal practice to publish a " taster" and invite comments prior to publication of the full piece?
    It just seems weird.
     
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  3. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    That is ambiguous. I wondered why MS meeting someone with cold feet was a problem.
     
  4. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Either or both of them might have cold feet! She might have had cold feet having realised that she was co-authoring with only a part-time driveller. Cold feet might be catching - in a biopsychosocial sort of way.
     
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    Hoopoe Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Maybe the BMJ has cold feet? There were a lot of complaints about this article.
     
  6. ladycatlover

    ladycatlover Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I keep misreading Dr Greco as Dr Gecko...

    [​IMG]
     
  7. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    With a commenting system but systematically censoring all comments.

    Weird and weirder.
     
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  8. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It makes sense that this was based on something from 2016, when they were still getting away with that sort of BS.
     
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  10. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Or badly written fluff, it seems.

    And where were the debates about poor quality of trial methods.
     
  11. ME/CFS Skeptic

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    I wrote an email to the editors and they said they expect it to appear next week.
     
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  14. Daisybell

    Daisybell Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Just what we’ve all wanted - MS helping us out with our ‘illness-without-disease’ paradox.
    He’s so entrenched in his beliefs, we haven’t any hope of changing him. Luckily I don’t think many people will fall for this guff.
     
  15. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Is this following statement true?
    What a pile of contrived bile this is. The hypothesis these treatments are based on is totally unproven for ME/CFS, meaning their safety and efficacy are also unproven. That is the objection.
     
  16. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I don't know... there seemed to be a number of important claims in that piece which had no reference to support them.
     
  17. Jonathan Edwards

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    I suspect it is true to the extent that when people are asked they say their fatigue is reduced to a similar degree - i.e. not much. But fatigue has not been found to be relieved in any reliable way - at least not in ME.

    It might be interesting to lookout the way self-reported fatigue changes in cancer patients. It might turn out to be rather more dramatic than the teensy bit of change in PACE (once you draw the full y axis).
     
  18. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    So much for discussion.

    "We're here to discuss, as long as you agree with us."

    I only skimmed because there's no point but I really like that the article cites the Kelland article for which Sharpe himself was the source. Sharpe is literally citing himself giving his opinion and using the publication of said opinion as a source to validate his own opinion. Truly a king ouroboros of bullshit.

    Good job, hue manatee!
     
  19. Sly Saint

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    ah the captain of the great ship PACE

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  20. EzzieD

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    (My bold.) Funny that. Last year on Twitter he was proclaiming that ME and CFS are two different conditions and that PACE only studied CFS and wasn't about ME. Previously, he had always stated that they are alternate names for one condition. When a few Twitterers supplied him with documentary evidence of his having previously said they are the same, he blocked those members. Now he's back to saying ME and CFS are the same thing again. Does he just change it to suit the intended audience of the moment?

    ETA:
    Unfortunately, they do, at least here among the UK Establishment. Hook, line and sinker.
     
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