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Med Students Still Do Pelvic Exams on Women Under Anesthesia

Discussion in 'Health News and Research unrelated to ME/CFS' started by Allele, May 31, 2018.

  1. Allele

    Allele Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    (Transcription available underneath video at the link, for those who don't do video.)

    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/896847?src=soc_fb_180529_mscpedt_news_mdscp_pelvicexams&faf=1
     
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  2. Invisible Woman

    Invisible Woman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    WTF?

    I had no idea they did this!

    Well, if some see this as being ok, their attitude to women with hard to diagnose conditions is hardly surprising.

    I wonder if this happens in the UK too?
     
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  3. andypants

    andypants Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    That is HORRIFYING.

    My phobia for gynecological issues just reached another level.
     
  4. chrisb

    chrisb Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Isn't that conspiracy to commit rape?
     
  5. Allele

    Allele Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    When I was in my twenties I was counting down from 100 right before a gyno operation.
    The doctor and anesthesiologist (males) were cracking jokes about my pubic hair right as I went under....
    I have long wondered with disgust what happened to me after that.
    What a horrible world this can be sometimes :(
     
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    Daisymay Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    I hope they get signed consent from the patients beforehand.

    If not, it would be highly unethical.
     
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    That's just it apparently, @Trish, they don't. The patient victim is completely unaware.

    No respect.
     
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  9. Invisible Woman

    Invisible Woman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    That's awful @Allele . :hug:.

    I had the heeby jeebies and everyone treated me with absolute respect.

    How can they possibly expect you to have any trust of faith in them if they behave like that?
     
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    zzz Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    My feelings exactly. Doing this type of learning procedure on unconscious women without their consent is essentially treating them like test animals. It shows a complete lack of respect for their basic humanity.
    Dr. Jay Goldstein observed that gynecologists (and anesthesiologists) tend to place in the lowest 20% of their graduating class in medical school. That's something to keep in mind, especially as the #MeToo movement continues to reveal that sexual abuse is far more pervasive in our society than most people ever imagined.
     
  11. Daisymay

    Daisymay Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Grief that's really appalling, so sorry you had to endure that.
     
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    NelliePledge Moderator Staff Member

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    W T F o_O:arghh::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:
     
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    JemPD Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Sexual Assault. Plain and simple. They should all be in prison, every last one of them.

    ETA There is no difference between this & a bunch of blokes deciding to do it to some woman passed out drunk. In fact it's worse because these woman have put their trust in these doctors.
     
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    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I'm curious what type of doctors place in the highest 20%.
     
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    Hip Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I suppose the answer would be to develop a rigor mortis-free cadaver for students to do pelvic exams...
     
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    Allele Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I know, right? <shudder>
     
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    I might set my smartphone to record the next time I'm sedated...
     
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    Or just ask people if it’s ok, while they are conscious.
     
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    I remember this as an issue in the UK news quite some years ago, and googling turns up stuff from 2003, such as this:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2642861.stm

    ...which indicates that the practice was against GMC guidelines even then but was still frequently being done, and yes, WTF? :nailbiting:

    I don't know what the situation is in the UK currently but I hope that the media exposure had an effect because, again, WTF? :nailbiting:
     
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    Daisymay Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Well it can't be psychiatrists.....
     
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