Intimidation of PACE critics or critics of other Psychosocial research

From Caroline Struthers letter to Cochrane:
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12. I mentioned that David made the welcome announcement in October 2018 that he was planning to withdraw the review pending investigation. I and many others were extremely disappointed and confused that this didn’t happen.

David explained in his response that two of the authors had persuaded him not to."
 
Lidia said:
I remember Keith Geraghty had another story of intimidation by S or W with his employers but I’m not able to find it on PR.
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I think that was discussed here somewhere recently - maybe it was to do with these posts?
https://forums.phoenixrising.me/threads/petition-opposing-mega.47466/page-44#post-786584
https://forums.phoenixrising.me/threads/petition-opposing-mega.47466/page-47#post-786677
https://forums.phoenixrising.me/thr...-private-eye-on-pace-trial.48482/#post-797914
 
wigglethemouse said:
Just so everyone is aware. California where @dave30th works is a state that has "employment at will" which means that an employee can leave their job, or an employer can fire someone with no notice and no reason.
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well this is not exactly the way it is for me. I'm not just an employee in California--I'm at the University of California, so I am a state employee as well as an academic. I'm not tenured so have no protection that way. But the university is also guided by norms. They couldn't just show me the door without having a reason. I'd have a right to respond to whatever charges were being made or whatever. And the charges would have to be substantive--not just about my "behavior," as in writing negative things about someone's research and tearing up papers in public.

I don't know exactly what Bristol wrote or requested--I know it was about my behavior and presumably they wanted me to stop writing bad things about Professor Crawley's research. But I have no knowledge that they tried to have me "fired." Trying to prevent me from writing about this stuff is not the same thing as trying to have me "fired" even if the end result were to be the same.
 
dave30th said:
But I have no knowledge that they tried to have me "fired." Trying to prevent me from writing about this stuff is not the same thing as trying to have me "fired" even if the end result were to be the same.
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Agreed but i think its worth including in the wiki article because its intimidation either by prevention or firing (which is meant to cripple you and prevent you writing truths).
Though its worth wording it carefully
 
Alvin said:
Agreed but i think its worth including in the wiki article because its intimidation either by prevention or firing (which is meant to cripple you and prevent you writing truths).
Though its worth wording it carefully
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I definitely viewed it as an attempt at intimidation or as an effort to shut me up, as I've said. My concern was in the dissemination of the unverified statement that they tried to have me "fired." One thing is that I think someone questioned whether the vice-chancellor should have gone to the chancellor. If the idea was that he was elevating it above his level, that's not an issue. In US, the chancellor is what the vice-chancellor would be at a UK university, so they're essentially at the same level. Appealing to the chancellor would be the appropriate avenue for the vice-chancellor if Bristol had a legitimate concern of wrong-doing.
 
dave30th said:
I definitely viewed it as an attempt at intimidation or as an effort to shut me up, as I've said. My concern was in the dissemination of the unverified statement that they tried to have me "fired." One thing is that I think someone questioned whether the vice-chancellor should have gone to the chancellor. If the idea was that he was elevating it above his level, that's not an issue. In US, the chancellor is what the vice-chancellor would be at a UK university, so they're essentially at the same level. Appealing to the chancellor would be the appropriate avenue for the vice-chancellor if Bristol had a legitimate concern of wrong-doing.
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Interesting.
I do suspect they find it very galling that their power does not extend outside the UK and they can't just shut people up in other countries as they can at home.

They never seem to question why they need to do this
 
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Horses can't talk is that it? He's taking the word Horse literally?
 
inox said:
A trip down the memory lane - via @Marit @memhj

No need to google translate this one, it's mainly links and quotes, and they are kept in english. 'Journalist Sonia Poulton receives phone call and long e-mail from pofessor Simon Wessely after article', 2012.
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Wow. From that article:
Sonia Poulton, journalist in the UK is reporting tonight that she got a phone call from Simon Wessely following yesterday blog post about ME:

Woke to find a long e-mail from Professor Simon Wessley…for those who don’t know, he is the big State cheese when it comes to ME…for many people his name represents years of their personal misery.

My recent article on ME, effectively, opposes his stance on the illness and I have been repeatedly warned that I can expect a communication from him…well it came…he says I ‘may be surprised to discover’ that he agrees with most of my article and then he goes on to detail how much of it he actually didn’t like at all.

He didn’t like me blaming psychiatry for standing in the way of research and treatment…he didn’t like that I didn’t give him credit for his ‘contribution to the debate’ and he most definitely did not like the idea that I say graded exercise is detrimental to the patient…oh no!
That did not impress him at all.He said it all in a very nice way but it doesn’t take much to pick up the true tone of how someone feels about you…anyway, he invited me to meet him for a coffee to discuss his stance further…I have pointed out to him that I am extremely busy at the moment but I will be back in touch.The truth is this…I have done my research, and he knows it, and while as a journalist I should always be prepared to hear the other side of the story (I am) there comes a point when you know what you know and no amount of sharp words can change that…
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