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Intimidation of PACE critics or critics of other Psychosocial research

Discussion in 'MEpedia' started by Sly Saint, Feb 20, 2019.

  1. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    From Caroline Struthers letter to Cochrane:
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    12. I mentioned that David made the welcome announcement in October 2018 that he was planning to withdraw the review pending investigation. I and many others were extremely disappointed and confused that this didn’t happen.

    David explained in his response that two of the authors had persuaded him not to."
     
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    EzzieD Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I think that was discussed here somewhere recently - maybe it was to do with these posts?
    https://forums.phoenixrising.me/threads/petition-opposing-mega.47466/page-44#post-786584
    https://forums.phoenixrising.me/threads/petition-opposing-mega.47466/page-47#post-786677
    https://forums.phoenixrising.me/thr...-private-eye-on-pace-trial.48482/#post-797914
     
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  3. Lidia

    Lidia Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yep @EzzieD, that what I was thinking of...
     
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    JaimeS Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Friendly reminder that even if that Twitter user would like to correct, they may currently be asleep or crashed.
     
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    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    dave30th Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    well this is not exactly the way it is for me. I'm not just an employee in California--I'm at the University of California, so I am a state employee as well as an academic. I'm not tenured so have no protection that way. But the university is also guided by norms. They couldn't just show me the door without having a reason. I'd have a right to respond to whatever charges were being made or whatever. And the charges would have to be substantive--not just about my "behavior," as in writing negative things about someone's research and tearing up papers in public.

    I don't know exactly what Bristol wrote or requested--I know it was about my behavior and presumably they wanted me to stop writing bad things about Professor Crawley's research. But I have no knowledge that they tried to have me "fired." Trying to prevent me from writing about this stuff is not the same thing as trying to have me "fired" even if the end result were to be the same.
     
  9. Alvin

    Alvin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Agreed but i think its worth including in the wiki article because its intimidation either by prevention or firing (which is meant to cripple you and prevent you writing truths).
    Though its worth wording it carefully
     
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  11. dave30th

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    I definitely viewed it as an attempt at intimidation or as an effort to shut me up, as I've said. My concern was in the dissemination of the unverified statement that they tried to have me "fired." One thing is that I think someone questioned whether the vice-chancellor should have gone to the chancellor. If the idea was that he was elevating it above his level, that's not an issue. In US, the chancellor is what the vice-chancellor would be at a UK university, so they're essentially at the same level. Appealing to the chancellor would be the appropriate avenue for the vice-chancellor if Bristol had a legitimate concern of wrong-doing.
     
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    Interesting.
    I do suspect they find it very galling that their power does not extend outside the UK and they can't just shut people up in other countries as they can at home.

    They never seem to question why they need to do this
     
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    Xalexon Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    [​IMG] Horses can't talk is that it? He's taking the word Horse literally?
     
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    I've seen, and heard, a talking horse before, I believe it said its name was 'Ed'. Precisely how qualified it was re this subject I have no idea.
     
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    Simon Wessely's "biomedical" research was really designed and conducted by colleagues/grad students, such as Anthony Cleare who did do some novel neuroendocrinology work, but unfortunately didn't find anything particularly interesting.
     
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  18. EzzieD

    EzzieD Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Wow. From that article:
     
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    Also one of the two recent interferon papers on fatigue-states. https://me-pedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Cleare
     
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    he invited me to meet him for a coffee to discuss his stance further…

    Wonder if there is some sort of hiarchy? Coffe vs beer vs lunch? :p
     
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