Human Leukocyte Antigen alleles associated with Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS): Fluge, Mella et al 2020

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  1. SNT Gatchaman

    SNT Gatchaman Senior Member (Voting Rights) Staff Member

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    I agree with Hutan. I think you can be hit hard pathophysiologically in a way that doesn't mandate initially severe symptoms, but sets up the descent into the ME/CFS phenotype. 4-5 years on I think I was hit pretty damn hard by COVID even if it was asymptomatic. It just took a few months before I even noticed.

    This would be similar to HIV -> AIDS where the initial infection/transmission event is symptomatically trivial (even while CD4 Ts are acutely lost) and some years might go by before the ongoing CD4+ T cell depletion leads to the AIDS-defining symptomatic opportunistic infections and malignancies.
     
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    I agree that there is quite likely to be an HLA genetic association if we simply assume that an immune mechanism is involved. HLA genes skew responses. But I think an HLA association with a particular virus may not be a good guide. We know that HLA affects susceptibility to specific microbes - we think that is why it is polymorphic. But the two may not be related much. (And I had very mild Covid and yet had LC.)

    The paradigm here is post-infective arthritis - perhaps the best documented form of post-infective immune disease. It is linked to HLA-B27 across a wide range of organisms so presumably the B27 risk is not due to presenting any particular peptide. Yet B27 is protective against severity for a number of infections - it is the best way not to get AIDS for years. So the risk factor we know actually partitions severity and risk of post-infective illness. In most cases of post-infective arthritis the triggering infection is mild - often an asymptomatic STD with mild urethritis.
     
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    Also probably similar in MS. I don't think any good research has been done trying to assess whether the severity of mono is of any relevance, but it appears to be more about an unfortunate sequence of steps where some virions get in the 'right' places where the 'right' conditions allow them to initiate the disease process.

    Logically, most likely being locality and proximity to axons. Maybe it's further upstream, about simply getting into some nerve pathways. But it all mostly appears to be chance, unlike AIDS where it's an inevitable final outcome.
     
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    DMissa Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Thank you all for your insights, tailoring my ideas accordingly
     
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