Havana Syndrome: U.S. and Canadian diplomats targeted with possible weapon causing brain injury and neurological symptoms

Arnie Pye said:
I was apparently declared to be a mentally ill drug-seeker during my teens, based on the remarks of an incompetent surgeon, and that diagnosis is still "in force" today. I'm now in my 60s and my quality of life has been determined by the fact I appear to have pissed off a doctor nearly 50 years ago. It's as if I was tried without my knowledge and without being given a chance to defend myself, I was found guilty, and the sentence is life without parole. And I wasn't told about any of these things. I just kept being denied medical care over and over again.
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This is so terrible. How did you find out finally? And what is the legal status of requests to access your own NHS records?
 
dave30th said:
This is so terrible. How did you find out finally? And what is the legal status of requests to access your own NHS records?
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I bought as many of my GP records as I could get a few years ago. I can't see the flags and warning labels that alert doctors, nurses and receptionists to beware of me - that kind of information is withheld by doctors quite legally. They can withhold as many of a patient's records as they wish if they claim it might hurt the patient's mental health to see particular pages.

But it doesn't take a genius to work out what doctors think they know about me when I mention something that should be in my medical records summary and all they do is roll their eyes at me because they don't believe me. I have been scowled at, laughed at, and gaslighted frequently. I found in my medical records summary that many problems I've had have been minimised because the detail is just not there. If a patient has a laparoscopy for example, there are usually findings that ought to be mentioned somewhere in the summary. But no... It just says "Laparoscopy" and nothing else. In one case I had an internal organ removed and the surgeon's report sent to my GP didn't mention it. I find in many of my dealings with doctors that they end up insulting one or more of my honesty, my morality, and my sanity as a matter of course.

Nowadays I try to avoid doctors altogether and just make appointments when the problem I want to see them for is visible.
 
Oh Arnie Pye ... I'm speechless. What courage and strength it must have taken from you to stay upright! I'm so sorry for you. I can only wish you the chance to meet on your way a benevolent doctor, who knows how to look at the person first. I really wonder if there are pwme who have not gone through some "trauma" with health workers ... :(
 
Arnie Pye said:
I was apparently declared to be a mentally ill drug-seeker during my teens, based on the remarks of an incompetent surgeon, and that diagnosis is still "in force" today. I'm now in my 60s and my quality of life has been determined by the fact I appear to have pissed off a doctor nearly 50 years ago. It's as if I was tried without my knowledge and without being given a chance to defend myself, I was found guilty, and the sentence is life without parole. And I wasn't told about any of these things. I just kept being denied medical care over and over again.
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That sounds really horrible. Sorry, you had to go through this.
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag....he-misconception-about-a-mystery-illness.html

Adam Gaffney’s penchant for dismissing the unknown and engaging in nauseating contrarianism has been discussed on this forum previously. However, I staunchly believe that this article accentuates the extent of his reverence for Wessely, BPS, etc.

Moreover, he’s rather adroitly positioning himself as a stalwart public intellectual and expert on post-infectious illness/medically unexplained symptoms. His wife is a fairly prominent journalist who, despite not practicing medicine or having any medical background to my knowledge, routinely echoes these spurious claims.

I don’t wish to articulate sensationalist rhetoric, but I do harbor extensive concerns that we’re witnessing the gradual ascent of a would be intellectual heir to Wessely, aided and abetted by his own Gerada. I earnestly hope that @dave30th and others with comparable platforms are monitoring this.
 
Reginald VelJohnson said:
Adam Gaffney’s penchant for dismissing the unknown and engaging in nauseating contrarianism has been discussed on this forum previously. However, I staunchly believe that this article accentuates the extent of his reverence for Wessely, BPS, etc.
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Yes, Gaffney is a menace. @dave30th should respond to this as he dredges up all the Simon Wesley/BPS stuff in the NY Mag article. Michael Sharpe is retweeting this of course. (Tweet copied from Sharpe’s account)

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This is Gaffney’s wife



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Arnie Pye said:
My mother-in-law was assumed to be depressed and attention-seeking because nobody could find the cause of her excruciating pain. After she was dismissed she was put on anti-depressants. Three months later she died of ovarian cancer which had metastasized.

If doctors spend lots of time ruling out psychogenic causes of illness and disease before considering looking for biomedical causes it will delay diagnosis of serious life-threatening diseases. And let's face it, psychogenic causes for anything require little or no evidence, so it will stop people getting treated for actual disease.
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That is absolutely tragic. Her last months spent suffering awful pain and being abused by people who’s job it was to offer care. I am so sorry.

Presumption prejudice bias misogyny sexism ableism sanism* in Drs leads to poor health outcomes, including to ptsd depression anxiety despair injury sickness and death.

I can’t help but feel some more studies on this are in order.

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1. People, patients with mental health diagnosis get sick with disease too at least as often as those without a MH diagnosis.

2. Having physical pain that drs haven’t yet successfully located the cause for, is not in fact a symptom of mental illness.:emoji_bouquet:
 
dave30th said:
This is so terrible. How did you find out finally? And what is the legal status of requests to access your own NHS records?
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It is so cruel and unjust.

The power of one man’s prejudice to mark you for a life of care denied.

It doesn’t matter if you were all the labels he gave, you still would require care to keep your body and mind as healthy as possible.

If you had the problems suggested why did it take so long to find out you had these on your records, why did you not receive for these respectful kindly delivered help at time of diagnosis and beyond?

If this dr was correct that your mind was troubled other Drs didn’t trouble themselves to make it less so did they?

No quite the fucking opposite. Blame the victim. Again and again.

It seems often Drs and HCP favour bullying over offer of a medical or psychiatric care.

They feel a ‘psychiatric patient’ as diagnosed by them and their colleges deserves no care through virtue of this diagnosis.

Why do any of us in this world agree that this is morally or rationally or medically acceptable to us?

It is pure eugenics.
 
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Ash said:
It is so cruel and unjust.

The power of one man’s prejudice to mark you for a life of care denied.

I am so sorry.

It doesn’t matter if you were all the labels he gave, you still would require care to keep your body and mind as healthy as possible.

If you had the problems suggested why did it take so long to find out, why did you not receive for these respectful kindly delivered help?

If this dr was correct that your mind was troubled other Drs didn’t trouble themselves to ti make it less so did they?

No quite the fucking opposite. Blame the victim. Again and again.

It seems often Drs and HCP favour bullying over offer of a medical or psychiatric care.

They feel a ‘psychiatric patient’ as diagnosed by them and there colleges deserves no care through virtue of this diagnosis.

Why do any of us in this world agree that this is morally or rationally or medically acceptable to us?

It is pure eugenics.
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That is why I doubt that many of those Drs out there actually believe the diagnosis they give out. I think it’s very often a power move. Just because they can.


How can we presume good faith when they know how we will be treated by their colleges when labeled with psychiatric illness?

I don’t think we can nor should.



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New CIA report:

A majority of the 1,000 cases reported to the government can be explained by environmental causes, undiagnosed medical conditions or stress, rather than a sustained global campaign by a foreign power, C.I.A. officials said, describing the interim findings of a comprehensive study.

The C.I.A. is continuing its investigation into two dozen cases that remain unexplained. Those cases, said a U.S. official briefed on the findings, offer the greatest chance of yielding clues to whether a foreign power is responsible for some of the unexplained health incidents that have plagued American diplomats and C.I.A. personnel in Havana and Vienna, among other cities.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/20/us/politics/havana-syndrome-cia-report.html

To me this sounds more likely that the idea that a foreign adversary is using a new sonic/energy weapon on a seemingly random selection of different diplomatic employees around the world.

edit: At the same time - did anyone think that a thousand cases were a result of attack from a foreign adversary? Asking all staff from a massive branch of the government to report new and relatively common symptoms like tinnitus was always going to get a huge response unlikely to be related to the initial problems reported. It feels like some military paranoia at being attacked may have been a problem here.
 
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Not suggesting anything, just mentioning MKUltra, a CIA operation part of which involved leaving LSD laced sweets and biscuits in their break rooms.
 
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