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Clare Gereda on Radio 5 now.

"it was worse than flu"
"all I could do was sleep"
"it's very frightening being ill"
"it's difficult to be compassionate for others because we are rarely ill"
"let's all be in this together"
"we've all got to pull together behind the government and scientists"
and even brought Churchill into it.

Unsurprisingly, she supports the UK government on coronavirus policy.


I wonder will this cause her to reflect on the wild, unevidenced claim she made in a #CFS educational video (https://www.veoh.com/watch/v19931890Xyz2eEn7 :sick: ) that it was perfectly safe for a patient to walk even if they were exhausted, and similar views #MEcfs
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Experience was worse than child birth ! Worst case of the flu I have ever had but spent most of it half awake. NOw very fatigued. Hopefully back to normal by Sunday. But still isolate for another few days after
 
OK, I had trouble finding information on it. It looks like the sort of serological test that is badly needed to establish who has had the virus. It would also indicate the likely usefulness of a vaccine. But I presume it is no use as a test to see if someone is actively infected - at least in the early stage when they may be infectious. It takes about 20 days for IgG responses to peak. IgM responses are quicker but still about 10 days traditionally.

"Seoul-based diagnostic company Seegene has developed a diagnostic kit for the novel coronavirus that reduced the time to get results from 24 hours to only six hours. The company uses an artificial intelligence-powered automated production system to produce tests more quickly".

https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/south-korea-turns-to-tech-to-take-on-covid-19/
 





@Jonathan Edwards I ask you as I’m not in contact right now with other health professionals other than my doctors/consultants. The situation is becoming dire. The only U turn the government has taken is banning *some* gatherings , from next weekend only. Yes some companies and organisations are doing it themselves. But we have nothing else - no remote working; no closing of schools, no closing of shops/entertainment, no special measures being put in. Faisal Islam said today that no new respirators have been bought - yet Germany bought 10,000.

So I want to ask, Do you think it can be turned around? Is there anything that can be done to persuade the government to at the very least change tack right now - and if so do you know if those people are doing it? Which scientists are the ones who are directly advising the CMO and chief scientific adviser?

Edit: 1140 cases of coronavirus in Uk today.
10 new deaths announced today.
Was close to 600 just some days ago. And remember that increase only counts the number of people who got so sick they ended up in hospital. Not the people infected and at home.
 
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Clare Gereda on Radio 5 now.

"it was worse than flu"
"all I could do was sleep"
"it's very frightening being ill"
"it's difficult to be compassionate for others because we are rarely ill"
"let's all be in this together"
"we've all got to pull together behind the government and scientists"
and even brought Churchill into it.

Unsurprisingly, she supports the UK government on coronavirus policy.
video of part of her interview
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51889957

eta: I listened to her full interview and apparently she and SW communicated via mobile phone. She was upstairs and he was downstairs. He took drinks etc to her and wrapped a Chelsea scarf around his nose and mouth!
 
They were talking about cases in French hospitals I think.
It's so difficult to know the truth from the false...

Oh there seem to be different strains of this tale. According to this article the French recommendation is based on this paper that says:

"ACE2 can also be increased by thiazolidinediones and ibuprofen. These data suggest that ACE2 expression is increased in diabetes and treatment with ACE inhibitors and ARBs increases ACE2 expression. Consequently, the increased expression of ACE2 would facilitate infection with COVID-19. We therefore hypothesise that diabetes and hypertension treatment with ACE2-stimulating drugs increases the risk of developing severe and fatal COVID-19."

(bolding by me)
 
video of part of her interview
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51889957

eta: I listened to her full interview and apparently she and SW communicated via mobile phone. She was upstairs and he was downstairs. He took drinks etc to her and wrapped a Chelsea scarf around his nose and mouth!

It sounds like the illness was particularly bad for her. Or maybe because she is older. I hope Claire now realises what being absolutely exhausted on top of feeling like death feels like.
 
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Clare Gerada Wessely's wife has been interviewed on the BBC after having contracted and recovered from the Coronavirus. She described it as like having a really bad case of flu and the way she recovered from it was to sleep for a long time.
No mention of CBT and just pushing through it, just lots of bed rest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51889957
 
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I wish Clare Gereda a full recovery as I wouldn't wish ME on anyone. It would be nice to think that she might take the time to reflect that how she felt hardly compares to the suffering of many ME patients for decades.

Perhaps she would like to imagine how it would feel to be trapped in that state for years on end and be recommended to increase her activity by 10% regardless of symptoms.
 
Hundreds of members of the scientific community have sent two open letters to the British government, voicing their concerns about the response to the coronavirus outbreak.

One comes from 198 academics in the field of maths and science, calling for urgent measures of social distancing across the UK.

It says: “Going for ‘herd immunity’ at this point does not seem a viable option, as this will put NHS at an even stronger level of stress, risking many more lives than necessary.”

Another letter has been signed by 164 behavioural scientists. It raises concerns about the idea of “behavioural fatigue” – the idea that if the public are instructed to take preventative measures too early, they’ll eventually revert back to prior behaviour.

The letter suggests that this has been a cornerstone of British government policy on coronavirus and sheds doubt on the evidence behind this.

“While we fully support an evidence-based approach to policy that draws on behavioural science, we are not convinced that enough is known about ‘behavioural fatigue’ or to what extent these insights apply to the current exceptional circumstances,” it says.

“If ‘behavioural fatigue’ truly represents a key factor in the government’s decision to delay high-visibility interventions, we urge the government to share an adequate evidence base in support of that decision. If one is lacking, we urge the government to reconsider these decisions,” it ends.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...088d7575593610#block-5e6cf4438f088d7575593610
 
I wish Clare Gereda a full recovery as I wouldn't wish ME on anyone. It would be nice to think that she might take the time to reflect that how she felt hardly compares to the suffering of many ME patients for decades.

Perhaps she would like to imagine how it would feel to be trapped in that state for years on end and be recommended to increase her activity by 10% regardless of symptoms.
I'm sure her response to this would be that Covid-19 is not perpetuated by unhelpful beliefs.
 
Its most probably just the more common post viral fatigue. If Covid-19 induces ME in any substantial number of survivors, and its a possibility it will, this is a nightmare scenario for the world. Even though I would welcome the sudden attention and recognition of ME, its far too high a price.
That is a scary thought. Do we know whether the SARS outbreak in the 2000s led to people developing ME???
 
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