Coronavirus - worldwide spread and control

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Wonko said:
Nah, just the minimum protective gear for what I was working with, the aim is to have at least 2 barriers between it and my skin anywhere that could come in contact with it, as it goes straight through skin and can't be brushed off (no surface tension to make it into droplets). 2 barriers as when taking it all off any that's got onto the outer protective layer still needs to be kept off the skin.

Standard for organic toxins and reasonably effective for most things - not exactly virus proof, but a little better than a surgical mask.

What people who haven't worn this sort of gear don't appreciate is just how hot, sticky, cumbersome, and noisy it all is.
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I did get it, pure nicotine is nasty, but the inherent drama in that detail is so rich with potential.
 
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James Morris-Lent said:
Plus people will go to work just about up until they collapse for fear of being fired.
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This is a serious point, and if the virus does spread widely in the UK, I'm hoping it's dealt with.

People living with or caring for an individual categorised as highly vulnerable, but who are not themselves showing symptoms that would warrant an absence from work, ought to have protection from dismissal for choosing to safeguard their relative by staying away from places where the virus has been shown to be circulating. This could potentially help prevent some deaths, and reduce pressure on health services caring for very sick people.
 
I can't help thinking of low paid care workers going into people's homes to do essential care that necessitates getting up close and personal, so they can't obey the advice to keep at least 2 metres from others. I rather doubt they will be supplied with full protective gear if a pandemic strikes and their local area goes into lockdown.
 
InfiniteRubix said:
The statements that face masks are ineffective don't ring true to me. Insufficient, perhaps. Of no effect, not true.

That's preemptive panic reduction PR IMO. People running around with masks reduces the 'feel food factor' economically, with timing that doesn't bode well for economic pressures already impinging on some states.
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I fear that they give people a false sense of security and in turn they will not worry as much about things that are even more effective and important such as proper and frequent hand washing and limiting contact with people outside your household. I have a few friends who are fixating on mask wearing and who have become irrationally anxious (and angry) that everyone in public is not wearing them.
 
shak8 said:
Preparations to consider:

Asesemble these items:

Hand sanitizer, several bottles. If leaving home, take one with you and use frequently, as well as wash hands upon return, if not sooner.

Thermometer (100.4F plus lower respiratory symptoms: cough, shortness of breath==call doctor)

Mask--save for trip to doctor's office for testing (call them first-alerting them of possible Covid case) preferably not by a public vehicle

Bleach and gloves (to reuse) to disinfect (one part bleach to nine parts cold water, made daily) surfaces in a home, like toilet, or the outside door knob, anything someone could have touched who in infective or whose status is unknown

Medications taken on a regular basis---three months supply on hand, if possible

Food, drink, toilet paper, paper towels, kleenex. Aim for a month's worth

Anything else?
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Food and food for your pets!!!
 
Invisible Woman said:
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Sarcastic laughter from the UK.-

Levothyroxine - street value of zero, non addictive, essential for hypothyroidism and generally a medication you'll need for life. The NHS (wrongly) dictates that despite the body's demand for T4 fluctuating naturally (albeit slowly) once a year testing should be sufficient. Unless you're up for an argument. The CCG (my one at any rate) wants to just prescribe a month's worth at a time. Even though I will be on it for life.

So good luck with getting a stash of necessary pain meds in.
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Yes this is so much easier said then done. It's simply not legal for doctors to prescribe patients an 'emergency supply' of an opiate. Thankfully I have over time been putting away some to create my own stash as I live in earthquake territory and my doctor approves of my covert plan.

But like others I also rely on other medications (to treat my autoimmune diseases) and the most important ones my insurance will only pay for 30 days supply at a time. I can get a prescription for more but I'd have to pay for it myself and one of my important medications is $500 for a 30 day supply which I cannot afford :(

I was at my pharmacy today and I mentioned to the staff that I am trying to figure out how to get a few months extra of my medications in order to prepare for possible Covid-19 related medication shortages and they all looked at me as if I was bonkers. People are simply unaware of what is going on and/or the seriousness of the situation. I got the same reaction from the grocery store employees when I mentioned I was preparing an emergency food stash.
 
I’ve just been telling my daughter that having ME doesn’t make me any more at risk from corona virus than anybody else. It doesn’t affect my immunity (except maybe in a good way).

Now I’ve been thinking I don’t actually know that for sure. Does anybody else have any idea?

Apologies if it’s already mentioned on here- I did skim through this thread but may have missed it.
 
Invisible Woman said:
We tend to fill our freezer every few months anyway, but if there's a supply issue with fresh fruit and veg then we'll have to deal with it.
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I too live in a very rural area. Seeing as it's still winter where I live, I've packed a cooler up with 5 heads of cabbage and 14 pounds of carrots as they will keep for a long time. A lot of coleslaw in my future perhaps!
 
Jonathan Edwards said:
I note a rather different tone in the US from that in the UK (which is 'don't panic ducky'). Someone has said:
We are asking the American public to prepare for the expectation that this might be bad.

That seems honest although the meaning is somewhat tortuous. How does one prepare for an expectation? Surely you just expect?
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So far I've seen no evidence where i live that people are paying attention to the warnings. And I live in a US city that shares an international border with British Columbia, Canada.
 
TrixieStix said:
I fear that they give people a false sense of security and in turn they will not worry as much about things that are even more effective and important such as proper and frequent hand washing and limiting contact with people outside your household. I have a few friends who are fixating on mask wearing and who have become irrationally anxious (and angry) that everyone in public is not wearing them.
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This is true. Classic example of bad advice becoming among the best advice on average because of typical behavioural inadequacies
 
My best friend is chronically ill working part time as office help at an ENT's.

They haven't been educated on what to do when somebody is presenting with suspicious symptoms or how to protect themselves at all.

Our state officials are saying again and again "we are well prepared", the chamber of doctors as well as hospitals disagree though.

I've been used to being medically gaslight for years with ME and other illnesses - but this is a whole new level

There's a lot of common sense greyzone between "panic" and "denial" and I don't understand why there's not at least done more to slow a now likely spread down.
 
Someone from WHO was on BBC Breakfast this morning talking about masks. She said that the main point of masks was to prevent infecting other people. The mask contains any coughs or sneezes. But the downside is that as soon as it gets damp it loses its containment abilities. And in changing the mask if you touch the damp part of the mask that can transfer virus to your hand... Ready to pass on to door knobs, taps, anything you touch.
 
ladycatlover said:
Someone from WHO was on BBC Breakfast this morning talking about masks. She said that the main point of masks was to prevent infecting other people. The mask contains any coughs or sneezes.
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Yes, this is quite right. You can easily be infected through your eyes, ears etc while wearing a mask.




From: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/#active-cases
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Note that active cases peaked at roughly 4 weeks since the mass exposure event (lunar new year banquet in Wuhan) and have been declining since then. There could be 5000 or less active cases in about a months time.
 
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Sly Saint said:
anyone remember this stuff?
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Yes! We used to pester our mum for that suspiciously bright orange fizz. :laugh: (We never got it, except one time my dad bought it by accident when he was sent out for the shopping.)

Some slightly odd news on its namesake the virus this morning, in that 14% people who're apparently fully recovered are testing positive again. Still a good bit to learn about it, I guess.
 
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