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What evidence is there that it is normal? Given how subjective it is, how can we know how the scores correlate with actual fatigue?I wasn't sure that CFQ SD had been shown to be "non-normal"
What evidence is there that it is normal? Given how subjective it is, how can we know how the scores correlate with actual fatigue?I wasn't sure that CFQ SD had been shown to be "non-normal"
This@Michiel Tack and @Simon M - using SDs of data that are either highly skewed (physical function) or that have skewed non-normal distribution (CFQ) is entirely flawed. To then use a CID that is so massively distorted by the scenario mentioned above by @hinterland and others makes no sense at all. The data do not warrant it being treated as analysable in any way, shape or form!
The Likert scores could have been between 17 and 33 at the start (bimodal scores 6 to 11), and the mean was around 28 which is at the upper end of the range. That suggests to me a possible skewed distribution. Do we have a graph of the actual scores at the start of the trial to see whether it looks skewed?Certainly the SF36 SD problem has been well documented. I wasn't sure that CFQ SD had been shown to be "non-normal" (I think it's a pretty high threshold to reach, isn't the null hypothesis that every distribution is normal?).
I just created the histograms below from the baseline (all groups) PACE data.Do we have a graph of the actual scores at the start of the trial to see whether it looks skewed?
I wasn't sure that CFQ SD had been shown to be "non-normal"
I think it's a pretty high threshold to reach, isn't the null hypothesis that every distribution is normal?.
Then finally, there’s an argument that the trial of Wallman et al. 2004 is not really GET but pacing. I think Ellen Goudsmit supports this view. I myself am not convinced. I would describe it as a symptom contingent instead of time/quota-contingent form of graded exercise therapy. Patients can reduce their activity if they feel worse but they are still instructed to increase their physical activity level with the expectations that this will improve their health. I think that’s a key aspect of exercise therapy and a clear difference with what pacing means to most ME/CFS patients. So I think it’s not abnormal to include this trial in the Cochrane review.
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Pacing as a strategy to improve energy management in myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome: a consensus document.
Review article
Goudsmit EM, et al. Disabil Rehabil. 2012.
Authors
Goudsmit EM1, Nijs J, Jason LA, Wallman KE.
Author information
1
School of Psychology, University of East London, Stratford, London, E15 4LZ, UK. ellengoudsmit@hotmail.com
Citation
Disabil Rehabil. 2012;34(13):1140-7. doi: 10.3109/09638288.2011.635746. Epub 2011 Dec 19.
Abstract
PURPOSE: Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) is a debilitating condition characterized by a number of symptoms which typically worsen following minimal exertion. Various strategies to manage the limited energy levels have been proposed. Of these, pacing has been consistently rated as one of the most helpful in surveys conducted by patient groups. This review is a response to the paucity of the information on pacing in the scientific literature.
METHOD: We describe the principle of pacing and how this can be adapted to meet individual abilities and preferences. A critical evaluation of the research was conducted to ascertain the benefits and limitations of this strategy.
RESULTS: Based on various studies, it is proposed that pacing can help to stabilize the condition and avoid post-exertional malaise.
CONCLUSION: Pacing offers practitioners an additional therapeutic option which is acceptable to the majority of patients and can reduce the severity of the exertion-related symptoms of ME/CFS.
© 2012 Informa UK, Ltd.
PMID
22181560 [Indexed for MEDLINE]
I know, but Jo Nijs was also an author of that paper and has since proposed 'Activity Pacing Self-Management' which also includes gradual increases of physical activity after a long stabilization phase.The Wallman intervention was counted by her herself as pacing in this paper.
Yes!Just look at the data! (I've done some plots, but I don't have them to hand right now - I'll post them tomorrow.) - eta: thanks @BruceInOz !
Errrrr.....???? When doing stats on data, you have to make certain assumptions based on its distribution so that the models work. For things like testing comparison of means, it's the distribution of the residuals that matters, not necessarily the data itself. But this isn't the issue here.
It's *way* worse than that.
The issue for clinically important (or useful, whatever) difference is that fundamentally the measurement scale can't change between baseline and the endpoint. But with CFQ, it very definitely does change, because the way it is interpreted by the participant changes (it *has* to if you hit the ceiling and get worse!). We know that how the participant scores themself at baseline (in order to get onto the trial) will be different from how they score themself during the trial without their underlying fatigue changing, because the baseline comparison point changes.
And even without that very obvious change, the intervention itself is designed to change the participant's perception of fatigue without necessarily changing their underlying fatiguiness. There is no way you can establish any sort of clinically important difference (the smallest change in a treatment outcome that an individual patient would identify as important and which would indicate a change in the patient's management) either between baseline and endpoint, or between groups, when those things are going on.
The additional problem is that when you turn a qualitative measure into a pseudo-quantitative one, you make mahoussive assumptions about the behaviour of that data, just because you have assigned numbers to it. For a start, you assume it is uni-dimensional (it isn't - CFQ asks 11 questions, some of which are correlated, some of which aren't - it simply won't behave in a linear, scalable way like say, distance, or time, or weight). You assume that it is relatable between individuals - that what one individual scores will equate to what another scores (it's very clear that's not the case because of the ambiguity of the CFQ). You assume it is relatable and comparable within an individual over time, and we've already seen that that's not the case.
And we haven't even got onto what it actually measures, and the issues with including improvement and deterioration on the same scale, while simultaneously expecting to be able to deduce that from a difference in 2 scores that may mean entirely different things.
Aaargh!
Correction: A bimodal score of 6 was needed to be included in the trial. I can’t remember the exact data in this trial but generally at the start that would be 17+. Aside: 18 and less was considered fatigue in the normal range and a revised recovery criterion.A few points to remember: A score above 18 was needed to included in the trial
Well done for finding this. However, people should probably see the page themselves to see what is mentioned. It does mention outcome measures it is going to look at. You do go on to discuss this further. But I had read what you wrote below as discussing the outcome document or post-hoc additions rather than the protocol.When Tom Kindlon and Robert Courtney pointed out the omission of objective outcomes the authors responded that “The protocol for this review did not include objective measurements” hence they were not included in the review. The only protocol I could find is one A4 piece of paper written in 2001 where Edmonds et al. say they are going to “review all randomised controlled trials of exercise therapy for adults with chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS).” That’s pretty much all it says (link here: https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD003200/full)
In the History overview of the Cochrane review, there is a note dated 25 May 2004, which says: “The protocol for this review has undergone post hoc alteration based on feedback from referees. The following sections have been altered: Types of interventions; Search strategy; Methods of the review.” I haven’t been able to find this updated protocol or the post-hoc changes made to it.
The very first Cochrane review on GET (Edmonds et al. 2004) mentioned under types of outcome measures: “Other possible measures include timed walking tests and tests of strength or of aerobic capacity.” But then they only report on functional work capacity as reported in the trial by Wearden et al. 1998 (which they confusingly call Apply et al. 1995). Other trials had objective outcomes as well, but these were not reported in the review. Perhaps Larun et al. thought that because Edmonds didn’t report objective outcomes they don’t have to do it as well? In any case, I couldn’t find a protocol that specifies subjective but not objective outcomes.
Now I'm confused. When I search for the protocol I get a very, very short text that does not mention the outcomes measures it is going to look at.Well done for finding this. However, people should probably see the page themselves to see what is mentioned. It does mention outcome measures it is going to look at. You do go on to discuss this further. But I had read what you wrote below as discussing the outcome document or post-hoc additions rather than the protocol.
Now I'm confused. When I search for the protocol I get a very, very short text than does not mention the outcomes measures it is going to look at.
Could you quote from whatever you are seeing, for example where outcomes measures are specified (perhaps Shub gave me another version or something, I've got a feeling I'm missing something).
I've added the protocol I'm seeing in attachment.
Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews
Exercise therapy for chronic fatigue syndrome
Cochrane Systematic Review - Intervention - Protocol Version published: 23 July 2001 see what's new
https://doi.org/10.1002/14651858.CD003200
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Abstract
This is a protocol for a Cochrane Review (Intervention). The objectives are as follows:
1) To systematically review all randomised controlled trials of exercise therapy for adults with chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS).
2) To investigate the relative efficacy of exercise therapy alone or as part of a treatment plan.
Background
Chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) is an illness characterised by persistent medically unexplained fatigue. Sufferers experience significant disability and distress, which may be further exacerbated by a lack of understanding from others, including health professionals. CFS is a serious problem thought to effect up to 1% of the general population (Wessely 1995). It has also been know as Royal Free disease, Iceland disease, neurasthenia, myalgic encephalomyelitis ('ME') and post‐viral fatigue syndrome, however CFS is the term that has been adopted and clearly defined for the purpose of research in this area.
Many sufferers in the community attend their local general practitioners for assessment, however the treatment they can offer is often limited due to normal or equivocal findings on physical examination or investigation. As a result some attend alternative practitioners, whilst others are referred to out‐patient clinics for assessment. Referrals are made to a variety of specialist clinics including general medicine, endocrinology, infectious disease, neurology, and psychiatry. This reflects the uncertainty, and often disagreement between doctors and sufferers regarding the causes of CFS, which in turn may lead to unsatisfactory patient‐professional relationships, and ultimately dissatisfied patients.
Opinions regarding the causes of CFS have generally focused on either physical or psychological explanations, although more recently there has been an increasing awareness of the potential interaction of physical and psychological factors in the development and maintenance of the disorder. Psychosocial factors are important. While there is some evidence for abnormalities in the hypothalamic‐pituitary‐adrenal axis similar to post‐traumatic stress disorder, is this cause or effect? The consensus is that CFS involves the neuro‐endocrine system but not in a manner identical to depression. Prognostic factors include sufferers who totally exclude biomedical theories, attempting to 'rest away' the fatigue; family factors, social factors and work could also mitigate against a full recovery. Reports from doctors for employers, insurance companies and benefit agencies could reinforce beliefs and behaviour to delay full recovery. General therapy including the acceptance of the symptoms, establishing co‐operation, correcting obvious misconceptions about the disease process, and avoiding unnecessary investigations and treatment, all help patients.
Treatment strategies for CFS range from the psychological to physical and pharmacological interventions. A recent systematic review found that cognitive behaviour therapy was effective for CFS in adults (Price 2000). Randomized controlled trials have been carried out to assess the effectiveness of treatments as diverse as exercise therapy (Fulcher 1997; Wearden 1998), homeopathic treatment (McKendrick 1999), self‐help treatment of CFS (Chalder 1997), antidepressants (Behan 1995; Vercoulen 1996; Wearden 1998), dietary supplement including fatty acids (Warren 1999) and folic acid (Kaslow 1989).
Exercise therapy is often used as part of a treatment programme for CFS. Recovery has been reported in a number of studies to be facilitated by rest complemented by a supervised program of gentle exercise. (RCGP 2000). This review will examine the effectiveness of exercise therapy either as a stand‐alone intervention or as part of a treatment plan.
Objectives
1) To systematically review all randomised controlled trials of exercise therapy for adults with chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS).
2) To investigate the relative efficacy of exercise therapy alone or as part of a treatment plan.
Methods
Criteria for considering studies for this review
Types of studies
Only randomized controlled trials,published or unpublished, will be included.
Types of participants
Subjects will be adult men and women of all ages with a clinical diagnosis of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome according to ICD 10. (WHO 1992), Oxford criteria (Sharpe 1991) or the Chalder scale (Chalder 1993) or any criteria.
Types of interventions
All studies in which exercise therapy, as defined by the authors, has been compared with standard care or alternative strategies.
Types of outcome measures
A: OUTCOMES
The primary outcome measure will be scores on a validated chronic fatigue scale ie Chalder Fatigue scale.
The secondary outcome measure used will be physical functioning measured on either patient‐rated such as the Physical Function dimension of the Short‐Form‐36 (Jenkinson et al 1996), or clinician‐rated such as the Karnofsky index (Karnofsky et al 1948).
Other possible measures include timed walking tests and tests of strength or aerobic capacity.
Trials which incorporated one or more measures of physical functioning or of the following additional relevant outcomes were included:
1) symptoms e.g. fatigue, pain, mood;
2) quality of life e.g. employment status, Social support
3) health service resource use e.g. primary care consultation rate, secondary care referral rate, use of alternative practitioners;
4) compliance with and acceptability of the intervention e.g. dropout rate, self‐rated acceptability.
Search methods for identification of studies
1. ELECTRONIC SEARCHING
The Cochrane Collaboration Depression, Anxiety & Neurosis Controlled Trials Register (CCDANCTR) will be searched using the following terms Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Exercise‐Therapy
The Cochrane Controlled Trials Register on the Cochrane Library (CCTR) will be searched using the following terms (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or CFS) combined with ((aerobic or anaerobic or exercise) and therapy)
2. HANDSEARCHING
The Journal of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome will be searched by ME to identify relevant studies
3 The proceedings of conferences/meetings on Chronic Fatigue Syndrome will be searched for reports of relevant trials.
4. Experts in the field will be contacted to identify trials either published or unpublished.
5. Reference list of retrieved studies and reviews will be searched.
Data collection and analysis
The full article of studies identified as above will be inspected by the principal reviewer (ME). All articles will be re‐inspected by HM and the level of inter‐rater reliability for trial selection and quality assessment will be reported. In the case of disagreement this will be resolved by discussion. Should disagreement still occur, further information will be sought from the investigators and a consensus decision reached.
QUALITY ASSESSMENT OF TRIALS
The assessment of methodological quality will be done according to the Cochrane Collaboration Handbook.
DATA EXTRACTION
Data from selected trials will be independently extracted by ME and HM using a standardised extraction sheet. Any disagreements will be discussed by the reviewers and clarification from the authors and arbitration will be sought when necessary.
Author
year of publication
Setting (country, rural/city, primary‐care etc)
Ethics (sponsor was ethics approval obtained?)
Type of Study (ie single centre / multicentre, crossover, parallel group, placebo‐controlled)
Quality (allocation concealment, blinding)
intention‐to‐treat analysis (including power calculation, withdrawals/dropouts/ losses top follow up described)
Definition of inclusion/exclusion criteria
Pre/Post‐hoc defined subgroups
Compliance measured (including method)
Participants (including diagnosis, criteria, baseline characteristics, demographics)
Treatment (all experimental, adjunctive, concomitant and permitted treatments)
Outcome parameters (deaths, scales, adverse effects)
Missing information will be obtained from investigators where possible.
DATA ANALYSIS
The following treatment comparisons will be made (if studies and data are available):
1. Exercise therapy versus waiting‐list control
2. Exercise therapy versus other intervention(s).
3. Exercise therapy alsone versus Exercise therapy as part of an intervention strategy.
4. Aerobic exercise versus Anaerobic exercise.
Post‐treatment outcomes
The main outcome in the trials for this review is likely to be symptom levels measured by rating scales, at treatment‐end and/or 6 months follow‐up, presented either as continuous (means and SDs) or dichotomous outcomes (significant clinical improvement versus no significant clinical improvement). These will be analysed in the following ways
The following outcomes will be analysed using
a. Chronic fatigue using the Chalder Fatigue Scale
b. Chronic fatigue using any fatigue scale
c. Depression (using any scale)
d. Quality of Life (using any scale)
Where different scales are used effect sizes will be calculated and sensitivity analyses will be carried against one scale). Drop‐outs from treatment will be taken as failures unless expressly stated otherwise by the triallist's.
Improvement in scores between baseline and treatment‐end or follow‐up (means and SDs) will also be examined (if data is available)
Heterogeneity will be tested on the following items
Duration of treatment/follow‐up
Inclusion criteria (ie use of validated criteria, comborbidity)
Population (ie Age, Gender, length of syndrome history)
Setting