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Chronic fatigue tests being sold online

Discussion in 'General Advocacy Discussions' started by Sly Saint, May 20, 2019.

  1. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    This company appears to be selling a test which it describes as

    Chronic Fatigue Tests


    Tired All The Time Chronic Fatigue Test Kits

    Regular price £15.99


    the problem is the link to the test comes after they explain that
    far from making it clear that ME/CFS is not the same as chronic fatigue it mixes the two having said they are the same thing, and then saying they are not.

    https://www.valuemed.co.uk/blogs/news/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-test

    Maybe one for trading standards?

    @Russell Fleming
    @phil_in_bristol

    eta: also the url is 'chronic-fatigue-syndrome-test'
     
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  2. Alvin

    Alvin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Is this legal?
    Is medical testing fraud a crime?
     
  3. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Given that there is no test for ME (or CFS) it must by definition be a fraud.

    I am not entirely sure that trading standards would be interested tho.
     
  4. Annaiom

    Annaiom Established Member

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    Could the advertising standards authority make them withdraw the advert? And any future advert would have to be changed so it is made clearer it is a TATT test.
     
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  5. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Probably not legal, but legal is, and always has been, relative.

    Is medical testing fraud a crime?

    That's a very deep philosophical question, after all almost all of medicine would appear to be guesswork, very little is known beyond the red stuff should mostly probably be on the inside, most other things look like they are just fashionable theories.

    If that sounds absurd then look at what was believed only 100 years ago.

    I suspect it depends on who you are, who you know, and how good your lawyers are, as to how legal medical fraud is.
     
  6. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    That looks to me like standard blood tests to exclude other fatiguing conditions that GP's should be ordering anyway for their patients with persistent fatigue. I bet they don't cost what this company is charging.
     
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  7. Alvin

    Alvin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Forget philosophy, by current law is what they are selling legal? I'm sure there is case law defining what is legal and not legal to peddle in medical equipment and fraud.
     
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  8. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yes, that does make things clearer, thank you @Trish.

    So if I was to advertise a 52" LED TV, describing it in great detail, what it could be used for, giving dimensions and wall mounting instructions etc.

    and then at the bottom state that I sell popcorn, and that the £1200 I am charging for my 52" LED TV package is for popcorn only;

    I would grudgingly have to accept that that may not be fraud, it is probably deception, because it's a deliberate attempt to deceive, hoping that many people will click the buy now link before getting to the last line of small print.
     
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    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Unless I just couldn't see it, it wasn't clear how they were actually testing anything. Blood tests? Urine tests? And what are they actually testing for? The £15.99 price tells me this is just a way to waste £15.99.
     
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    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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  12. SallyC

    SallyC Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    They don't, nothing like that amount of money if properly processed lab tests. If just finger prick and dip stick tests then more like 50x cost price so they are adding a very large 'interpretation' fee.

    ETA: didn't spot mention of finger prick and dip-stick tests initially.
     
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  13. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It would appear that the £1599 price shown in the original post is a copying error, not caused by the OP but by a font size change when pasted.

    It looks like the price of the kit is £15.99 GBP - which puts a slightly different complexion on things, at least in my opinion.

    Still junk, still misleading, but at least not £1599 ;)
     
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    SallyC Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    That makes more sense - thanks.
     
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    Exactly what I was thinking. What would be the point in trying this test when the doctors SHOULD BE conducting these tests to begin with?
     
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    this should be reported. it's a ferritin test in combination with a very basic thyroid test (just TSH i think). these should not be marketed as 'chronic fatigue tests'. even 'fatigue tests' may be illegal.
     
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