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Book: When Force Meets Fate by Jamison Hill, published January 2021

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS news' started by Trish, Jan 27, 2021.

  1. cfsandmore

    cfsandmore Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The book is fantastic. I'm thankful I read it. The book was written on an iPhone.

    Jamison's plateau is very small. I think it is safe to say he is still severe. He can speak a couple of words in a whisper, then his strength is gone.
     
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  2. Helene

    Helene Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yes, he had made some improvement but remained very sick at the end of the book.

    In that case it wouldn't be required reading but never-the-less would likely be an interesting book for someone deeply involved in ME.
     
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  3. Ravn

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    Have just finished this book (audio version). Not an easy listen, Jamison is brutally honest including about the practical problems of getting food and fluids in and out of the body if you're very severe. It would be a good book to give to people who need to interact with pwME, especially with pwME who are severe or very severe, or are at risk of becoming so.

    For me it was like listening to two separate accounts.

    Pre-ME Jamison's way of life and values were utterly alien to me. The way he drove and pushed himself, the competitive bodybuilding and fitness world, the need to hide any sign of real or perceived weakness from others, I can't even remotely identify with any of it. Undoubtedly, Jamison would have had much the same response to my way of life and values in return. But that two people so diametrically opposite in many ways can both come down with ME just shows that all those simplistic ideas about deconditioning or personality types driving the illness don't hold water.

    With-ME Jamison's experiences, by contrast, were all too familiar (up to a point, Jamison became very severe, an abyss I've only glimpsed into very briefly during exceptionally bad PEM). It was easy to identify with Jamison's difficulties in adjusting to and sort of uneasily, temporarily accepting an ever decreasing level of function, both practically and emotionally. The whole interspersed with less bad periods and the hope which invariably comes with that, only to be dashed again and again. I could relate to his slow realisation that even the best doctors can only offer limited relief, and that most doctors are nowhere near best when it comes to ME. And I recognised the mix of emotions towards carers, grief for them for what your illness is putting them through, together with enormous gratitude to them for sticking it out with you (what do severe let alone very severe pwME who don't have good carers do?!)

    One thing I was wondering was what treatment Jamison would have received from doctors and some of the other people around him had he not been involved in a fatal car crash a couple of years before ME onset (which happened when he combined overtraining with EBV). With the accident he handed people an easy excuse for an anxiety/depression (mis)diagnosis on a platter. Without that accident trauma, how would people have reacted to such a hypermasculine, hyperfit young male showing symptoms of ME? No way of knowing

    Anyway, if you're looking for a relaxing and pleasurable read/listen, give this book a wide birth. But do get it if you're looking for an excellent testimony of a life with ME, some of which is individual but a great deal is very generalisable.
     
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  4. Ash

    Ash Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Thanks for this review @Ravn

    Are you saying he was too exhausted/ill to drive but did so and killed a passenger?
     
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  5. Ravn

    Ravn Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    No, not at all. The accident happened while he was still fit and healthy, a couple of years before he fell ill.

    As I recall it, there was a car stopped for unknown reasons in a blind spot on a major road and he drove into it, the other car caught fire and the person in it died. There was nothing about Jamison being prosecuted or anything so he must have been deemed not at fault.

    What I was trying to say when referring to the accident was that because Jamison had this trauma in his past many people jumped to the conclusion that the trauma caused his ME years later, while ignoring the more likely explanation that at the time he fell ill he was training heavily while sick with EBV
     
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  6. Ash

    Ash Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Ahh I see. Thanks for the explanation.
     
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