Starts around 2.11.00 John Darvall. Interview with ME sufferer (ME for 20 years) Liz, who participated in pre PACE Frenchay trial in 2002. Mentions PACE trial and GET being discredited, #MillionsMissing campaign. Also talks to her husband re NICE guidelines and debate in HofC. good stuff. short music break. Interview with Clare Ogden from AfME. JD talks about #MM in Bristol last year.......but of course AfME were not there leave people to make up their own minds about the rest (ie AfMEs self-promotion). JD poses some very good questions. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p070nh1h eta: he briefly, at the end, mentions Phil Hammond being an advocate for pwME. I think someone needs to fill him in on Crawleys work on GET.